Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't know if something like this has been proposed before, so here is the deal.

First what I think is the problem and then an idea for a solution to this:

At least in null sec (maybe in low sec too if people really rat there which I don't know) cloacky stealth campers are a big problem because one of them can lock down a whole system.
For people not living in null this usually happens the following way. Someone in a stealth bomber with a cyno and a covert cyno fitted enters a system that is used by many people for ratting. He then sits there somewhere cloacked so no one can find him and waits until he sees jucy targets. When he finds some he warps there, tackels and opens one of his cynos so his friends waiting on the other side can jump in and kill everyone on the other side.
The people ratting in the system basically have to options, trying to bait him or leaving the system and rat somewhere else.
Trying to bait him is very difficult because most wont fall for it and even if they do they just have to return with a new cheap SB and with the additional info now who baited.
Ratting somewhere else gets difficult when there are many stealth cloackers in diffrent systems and a lot of people trying to rat because you run out of systems fast.
Just ratting in a group to be safe doesn't work because the camper can allways adept in how many people he brdiges in.

Ok, first I don't have a general problem with this, because it would be stupid if large alliances could shut down their space completly for enemies and do their stuff without getting bothered at all.
What I don't like is that the cloacky campers can do their stuff unbothered. Someone can do this with an alt, place him in a system and while he sits there play with his main or do something completly diffrent and only has to take a look at his camper every 10, 30 or 60 minutes to check if there is a target he can go after.
I would like it better if he actually has to pay attention and put some effort into camping the system.

So my idea is to add a new kind of scanner probes that can find cloacked targets. With this people can scan for a cloacked ships and warp there to try decloacking it. If the cloaked player pays attention and looks at his d-scan he will see the probes and warp aways so the probers won't find him. With this the cloacker has to pay attention and other people actually have a chance of finding him if he doesn't.

There could also be a new probe launcher that is needed to use these probes and can't use any other probes if it was to powerfull if an expanded launcher could use these.

Nope sry not the same poster as in the other tread. But you are right that I didn't use the search function before posting

Maybe a mod can merge these two threads because I think I described it better why this is a problem, so it maybe (probably a huge maybe) stops useless side discussion like "people who are afk are no thread" or "in wh space you don't even see them so its no problem in null" and so on.

Removed a troll from this post.

Sorry but I don't understand this reply if you actually read my whole post. I know its a long wall of text but I went a bit more into detail to prevent such generic answers.

I'm not asuming anyone is afk, because if you do you die.
I said someone can do this taktic by being mostly afk and thats when you should have a chance to get him.

If he is not, but is activly camping the system then you still won't get him and thats good because having a cloack should give you an advantage.

Local

It is funny that all AFK cloaking problems stem back to Local o.O

It seems to be the case. Or thats how I have started to see it. No local no problem but then cloakers would get a huge advantage unless probes would be implied into the game.

The "problem" though is that we have local and tbh I think its good that we have it because without it even fewer people would dare to move to null sec.
And imho you can't compare this to wh space because at least to my knowledge you can't hotdrop there. Just because having no local in wh space works well there doesn't mean it works in null too because both spaces are working very diffrently as a whole.

And adding some new probes to the game is a very minor effort instead of reworking the whole game mechanic


The problem with baiting that way is that a smart cloackers won't engage you because he saw your waiting fleet in system or worse he got some more friends to hotdrop you and kill your whole defense fleet.
If your defense fleet is waiting in the next system or docked your bait will probably be dead and the attackers gone before you reach them.

You have local, but think you are the only one that can take advantage of it's intel? Sorry, but you're wrong if that's the case.
As local is the mechanic being used, why haven't you suggested ways to nerf the cause instead?

I didn't mention WH space, but probes would harm life there for sure.

You say adding probes would be a minor effort, but answer me this. Why should you get even more intel, on top of the already powerful local intel channel? Why do you think this is in anyway, a balanced approach?

Don't expect us to agree to a cloak nerf, when you don't even consider local being changed.