Wormholes

I've been reading a ton of things internally from my alliance as well as from wormholers elsewhere, claiming that Armor Honeycombing is going to "increase the blob in wormholes" by reducing the mass enough to cause problems.

From the view of our Static, a C6>C6 hole:

For the pilots that only train Armor Honeycombing to IV, the difference based on the numbers we actually see, is negligible, some numbers (Using Proteus because they are the lowest mass T3):

2bil mass Hole:
5,341,000 Proteus
3,750,000 Plate mass
=9,091,000 total
=219 Proteus

750,000 reduction with AH IV
=8,341,000

=239 proteus
(20 more Proteus from a 219 Proteus gang)

1bil mass hole:
=109 proteus before
=119 proteus after
(10 more Proteus from a 109 Proteus gang)

Now standard situation we might hit in Homesys/rolling (With a 3bil mass hole)
1,113,750,000 Archon Mass

Guardian with 1600 plate before:
Guard: 11,980,000
Plate: (Pre-AH):3,750,000
=15,730,000

Guardian with 1600 plate after:
Guard: 11,980,000
Plate (AH to IV): 3,000,000
=14,980,000

C6 situation standard 3bil hole - archon mass = 1,886,250,000

EDIT: For those in lower class wormholes, this may not apply. Or if you aren't familiar with the situation, when you roll into a high-class hole and you want a fight, You'll stick a Devoter/Phobos through, bubble up, and hold with this fleet waiting on the other side to go through.

Standard Composition (previous):
1 Archon (1,113,750,000)
30 Proteuses (272,730,000)
8 Guardians (125,840,000)
Hole Mass now at 1,487,680,000
This would allow for about 80 additional Proteus through a hole before you're concerned about closing the Archon in (But with 80 more, you'd still all be able to jump back without stranding the Carrier)

Standard Comp (Current, AH IV):
1 Archon (1,113,750,000)
30 Proteuses (250,000,000)
8 Guardians (119,840,000)
Hole mass is now 1,516,410,000

Yes, I know that you don't bring 8 guardians to a fleet when you have a Triage Archon, but those 8 can also make up the difference in mass from other T3's, which are a good 10-20% higher than the Prot.

The margins for collapsing aren't razor thin. Considering we're only concerned about closing the carrier, typically we could push a hole to almost critical mass wormhole with T3's. It would take 40+ proteuses with AH to IV to close a crit hole, it would take the same 40+ pre-Honeycombing with an addition of maybe 1 or 2 proteus.

The main concern would be Bhaalgorns, but the mass on battleships is already high enough to make the difference from a 1600 plate with Honeycombing trained to V ~2% mass per plate, with a difference of ~6% across the whole 3x Plate Bhaalgorn (which doesn't matter when you're collapsing a hole typically with 40%+ of it's remaining mass using the Archon mass overflow).

You would need 20 Bhaalgorns all with Armor Honeycombing 5 before you make up for the mass of one Bhaalgorn.


TL;DR All in all, it's important to remember that honeycombing only reduces the mass penalty of the plate itself, *not* of the entire ship.

Nice writeup, but shocking that it may have been needed. That a 20% mass reduction on one module that is only a small portion of the total mass of a ship that does not have a lot of mass in the first place is negligible should have been obvious to everyone even without doing the math.

C1 max jump mass is 20,000,000

T2 Dual plated Devoter hits about 22,000,000 before AH, but even at AH V, gets just down to just under 21,000,000. So you'd still need to offline a plate/bubble up.

EDIT: Actually, if you use Rolled Tungsten Plates, you were able to fit through before, and will be able to now as well.

Brickgu's should be able to if their MWD/AB is off. 8,201,000 mass of the ship base, with AH V, T2 plates hit 3mil each. Unless you were packing 5 plates, you should be golden.

Im sitting in my proteus right now with AH 3 and the mass on it is 14.5mil kg.
your math is way off but you are correct, AH will have more or less no effect on anything to do with WHs apart from making T3s slightly better in PVP due to being faster.

Math was based solely on Pyfa stats. So if those are off in some way, I apologize :\

Are you double plated in that Prot?