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Exploration Proteus - Worth Upgrading to?

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Complex Potential
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#1 - 2013-02-25 11:32:23 UTC
I've been dipping my toes into exploration recently and am finding it quite interesting. I use an Ishtar at the moment but probing is a bit slow and I'm struggling to find juicy DED sites.

I suspect that if I switch to a proteus and use an expanded probe launcher with deep space probes I'll be able to scan a lot faster and thus increase my chances. Unfortunately the cost of a proteus is a lot more than my ishtar and it would be nice to think that the exploration has a chance of actually paying it back in a reasonable time frame.

I live in WH space and so tend to get random opportunities to drop into null sec, low sec and high sec space but I probably end up in low sec more often than not and I only do exploration for a day or two each week. I know it's pretty random since I could go for weeks without finding anything and then stumble on a deadspace mod worth a billion isk but what is the general opinion? Should I stick with the ishtar or go for the proteus?
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#2 - 2013-02-25 11:41:44 UTC
I think general rules apply here as to anything else so if scanning speed is what keeps you from being efficient use more efficient tool which would be better launcher and probes.

And since you already live in quite nasty environment (wormholes) you know how to maximize your survival chances and have possibility to farm Sleepers to get ISK I would say go for proteus. Or anything else that will allow you to scan/do sites faster than current ship.

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Dante Uisen
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#3 - 2013-02-25 12:47:47 UTC
The ishtar and proteus are equal in performance, but the proteus has a lot of utility options. If you plan on using it for hi/low/null-sec systems i would say take the proteus, subsystem like covert cloak and interdiction nullifier are always nice to have.
Complex Potential
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#4 - 2013-02-25 13:20:05 UTC
In terms of dps output I think the Ishtar slightly edges it but the proteus has a bigger tank, can almost match cov ops ships for scanning and does indeed have the option of fitting cov ops cloaks and nullifiers. The subsystem switching may be of limited use to me since you cannot switch them inside wormhole space.

For me, the biggest advantage would be the deep space probes and scan bonuses I think.
Dante Uisen
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#5 - 2013-02-25 13:29:15 UTC
Complex Potential wrote:
For me, the biggest advantage would be the deep space probes and scan bonuses I think.


You don't need to fit everything on the same ship, unless you are exploring in hi-sec. Using a covert ops for scanning and scouting, and a dedicated combat ship for clearing the sites is what most people do.
Complex Potential
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#6 - 2013-02-25 13:33:02 UTC
I appreciate that but I want to be free to roam and not be anchored to where my scanning ship is at. This is particularly true when staging out of WH space. Unless you have two accounts it is difficult to do as you suggest.
Dante Uisen
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#7 - 2013-02-25 14:01:24 UTC
Complex Potential wrote:
I appreciate that but I want to be free to roam and not be anchored to where my scanning ship is at. This is particularly true when staging out of WH space. Unless you have two accounts it is difficult to do as you suggest.


If that's the case them pick something you can afford to lose, flying around low/null without a scout is going to cost you ships. I am not sure if you can scan down all signatures in low and null, without a ship that has a bonus to probe scan strength, but if you can a battlecruiser might be a cheap option.

Complex Potential
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#8 - 2013-02-25 14:08:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Complex Potential
I can afford to lose it, but I'd obviously prefer not to. I guess I'm interested in it as an investment. I've lived as a pirate and so I know how to move around low sec but I also know the risks involved.
Harcus Mall
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-02-26 07:56:58 UTC
Get a second account with a dedicated prober. If you live in WH space you should be easily making enough isk to plex two accounts a month. You will also find that living in WH space becomes much easier with this second account and dedicated scanner.
Complex Potential
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#10 - 2013-02-26 08:02:19 UTC
Harcus Mall wrote:
Get a second account with a dedicated prober. If you live in WH space you should be easily making enough isk to plex two accounts a month. You will also find that living in WH space becomes much easier with this second account and dedicated scanner.

I hate the idea of getting a second account to fund a second account. At the moment I can do as much or as little as I choose but having the pressure of having to make enough for a plex each month sounds horribly incompatible with a hectic modern lifestyle.
Harcus Mall
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-02-26 11:56:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Harcus Mall
Understood. For pvp solo ganking you can't go wrong with a cloaky proteus. Anything cloaked pve will have a harder time to do plexs and is better to use a standard t3 or BC. Stick with what you have until you feel isk comfortable to risk a t3.
Complex Potential
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#12 - 2013-02-26 12:26:59 UTC
Can cloaky proteus do enough dps for PvP? I assume you mean a cov ops cloak.
Harcus Mall
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-02-26 13:13:53 UTC
Complex Potential wrote:
Can cloaky proteus do enough dps for PvP? I assume you mean a cov ops cloak.


Depends on what you are fighting. For small surprise attacks on miners/haulers they are awesome. I have a corp mate who regularly searches in WH space for covert ganking. He only uses a prot and has not lot a ship in a very long time.

It's all about picking the right fights and make sure you are not falling into a trap.

Good luck!
Mnemosyne Gloob
#14 - 2013-02-27 01:35:29 UTC
The only appealing PVE proteus that i have seen is sentry fit. However with the subsystems required for that (and yes you can do more dps than an ishtar thanks to the many lowslots on a proteus) it is of not much use outside highec. Of course you can do some mwd/cloak thingy or refit for a cloaky version (but then carrying all the drones would be ... cumbersome), but i think compared to other t3 hulls it is not too good.

You could of course go blasters, but for pve that really is not too much fun.

Proteus for doing expeditions however is quite nice, imo.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2013-02-27 18:01:03 UTC
Complex Potential wrote:
Can cloaky proteus do enough dps for PvP? I assume you mean a cov ops cloak.


600dps, 130K EHP, neut, 18km scram and 4 flights of light drones is plenty enough for most engagements Cool I have about 100 kills in a Proteus, vast majority of them in cloaky version. I rarely meet ships that I wouldn't engage in it.

For low/null PVE I've used a sentry fit with Improved cloak and dual prop, worked well.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-02-27 20:05:01 UTC
Harcus Mall wrote:
[quote=Complex Potential]
It's all about picking the right fights and make sure you are not falling into a trap.

Good luck!


Yea that's generally my downfall.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#17 - 2013-02-27 20:12:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
If you want the dps to do sites fast and get the probing bonus, (not using the covert sub) then proteus might work for you. I would not bother attempting to run hard sites with the covops sub. It won't be simple though, you'll still be making some sacrifices, such as getting only 100m3 of bandwidth, or not having utility highs, or having to do without a cloak if you try to max guns w/ a probe launcher.

I'm fully trained for a proteus, and i like to do nullsec explo. But after looking at the proteus, I never ended up using it. When I was with one account, I probed in a helios and used a cloaked combat ishtar that did great dps and had lots of utility. When I wanted to do all-in-one explo (lowsec). I would use a covops tengu that could refit in a station to run sites (and switch from covert cloak to t2 if needing to jump gates, was very tight on cargo). Now I'm back in null, and I'm just not tempted to try and shoohorn and all-in-one setup that works without refits, and even though I have two accounts, I don't drag my combat ship around with me while I scan

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