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Future of Armagedon

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PavlikX
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#1 - 2013-02-24 19:05:31 UTC
Hello.
Looks like that next class to rebalance as a part of tiercide process - battleships.
So, i guess that 3 laser battleships for amarr is too many. What about the same principe with BC rebalance? Let Abadon and Armagedon will b combat BSs, meantime Apocalypse could be attack BS.
So, my opinion that Armagedon can be "Prophesy style" drone carier. Bonuses +5% to resists and 10% of HP and damage to the drones. 7 high slots, 6 turrets, 6 missile hardpoints.

PS I realy hope that CCP wll rebalance finnaly navy versions of the ships, and we can use new navy BSs
AyayaPanda
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-02-24 19:09:05 UTC
get yourself a space potato and don't touch the geddon
Bum Shadow
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-02-24 19:56:47 UTC
I just want a navy abaddon to look at in a station. Would be damn sexy. Or a black/platinum one using the colour scheme on the anathema etc.

Infact the covops line of amarr ships should all use that black/platinum skin. The redeemer especially.


Infact just make them all black/platinum. With Navy being black/white.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-02-25 01:17:44 UTC
No, NO NO NO NO NO.
If anything, abaddon needs a few tweaks, but ther eis no way in HELL, any self-respecting Amarr-playe would let the armageddon use anything but lasers, or receive any kind of nerf.

armageddon is GOOD how it is, not overpowered, not useless, its right around that sweet spot of acceptable.

(and seriously, switching the geddon to a drone boat or missile boat would make me swear off amarr battleships, since its the ony amarr one i like)
Weasel Juice
Mayhem and Destruction
#5 - 2013-02-25 01:21:32 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
No, NO NO NO NO NO.
If anything, abaddon needs a few tweaks, but ther eis no way in HELL, any self-respecting Amarr-playe would let the armageddon use anything but lasers, or receive any kind of nerf.

armageddon is GOOD how it is, not overpowered, not useless, its right around that sweet spot of acceptable.

(and seriously, switching the geddon to a drone boat or missile boat would make me swear off amarr battleships, since its the ony amarr one i like)


I wouldn't mind seeing bonused neuts on a geddon... one can only hope!

I know, I'm a hypocritical spacerich WH dweller who should just buy a Bhaalgorn instead. :(
Luc Chastot
#6 - 2013-02-25 01:39:14 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2013-02-25 02:12:01 UTC
Biomass

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-02-25 03:28:46 UTC
Weasel Juice wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
No, NO NO NO NO NO.
If anything, abaddon needs a few tweaks, but ther eis no way in HELL, any self-respecting Amarr-playe would let the armageddon use anything but lasers, or receive any kind of nerf.

armageddon is GOOD how it is, not overpowered, not useless, its right around that sweet spot of acceptable.

(and seriously, switching the geddon to a drone boat or missile boat would make me swear off amarr battleships, since its the ony amarr one i like)


I wouldn't mind seeing bonused neuts on a geddon... one can only hope!

I know, I'm a hypocritical spacerich WH dweller who should just buy a Bhaalgorn instead. :(

yeah, just buy a bhaalgorn, were Wh dwellers, were rich, you killing the geddon for a poor-man bhaalgorn would make me and every armor-pvp'er in womrhole sapce who doesnt use T3 whelp-fleets cry.
Hakan MacTrew
MUTED VOID
#9 - 2013-02-25 05:46:34 UTC
CCP made it.clear that the T1 Amarr BS line will be tweaked but no significant changes will be made. The only real difference I expect to see are slot swaps, ehp changes and fitting changes.

I can't remember where, bit I'd was mentioned.by a dev that any Amarr T1 BS drone boat would be a new hull.

So I'm hoping for a line of new hulls. Disruption BSs and an Attack ship for Caldari. Then.again, the Raven is basically an Attack BS, so maybe a new Brawler may be brought in.

Oh, and just because we all know it, its a T2 Khanid Abaddon that we all want...
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-02-25 06:02:46 UTC
The only thing I don't like about the geddon is 3 mids. I would love a fourth but i'm not really expecting it other than that the geddon is pretty much fine as is.

If they make it a drone boat i will cry for a day.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.

Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-02-25 06:46:56 UTC
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
CCP made it.clear that the T1 Amarr BS line will be tweaked but no significant changes will be made. The only real difference I expect to see are slot swaps, ehp changes and fitting changes.

I can't remember where, bit I'd was mentioned.by a dev that any Amarr T1 BS drone boat would be a new hull.


Here.

Quote:
So I'm hoping for a line of new hulls. Disruption BSs and an Attack ship for Caldari. Then.again, the Raven is basically an Attack BS, so maybe a new Brawler may be brought in.

Oh, and just because we all know it, its a T2 Khanid Abaddon that we all want...


Caldari battleship lineup is fairly complete as it is. Raven is clearly an assault BS, Rokh doubles both as sniper and a brawler thanks to its bonuses and Scorpion is one of a kind electronic superiority battleship. Imo, what Caldari really need is a navy version of Rokh or some other reason to specialize in hybrids rather than missiles. It would probably help if Vindi was Gallente-Caldari, but as it is, the caldari battleship line is sort of a dead end for hybrids. Too bad, since Rokh on its own is amazingly awesome.
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-02-25 06:48:20 UTC
TBH what i remember from the dev post a while back was them listing the battleships as disruption which was the scorpion only then attack and combat battleships.

What I actually hope for is that Amarr/Gallente/Minmatar will get a "disruption" battleship and Caldari will get a new combat battleship, but maybe that's just me. If you want a drone based Amarr battleship that's where I'd want to see it.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.

Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#13 - 2013-02-25 08:07:06 UTC
PavlikX wrote:
Hello.
Looks like that next class to rebalance as a part of tiercide process - battleships.
So, i guess that 3 laser battleships for amarr is too many. What about the same principe with BC rebalance? Let Abadon and Armagedon will b combat BSs, meantime Apocalypse could be attack BS.
So, my opinion that Armagedon can be "Prophesy style" drone carier. Bonuses +5% to resists and 10% of HP and damage to the drones. 7 high slots, 6 turrets, 6 missile hardpoints.

PS I realy hope that CCP wll rebalance finnaly navy versions of the ships, and we can use new navy BSs

with simple asthetics armageddon looks more like a combat. Apocalypse is definatly attack. Abaddon looks more like the drone boat so probably Combat.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#14 - 2013-02-25 08:47:00 UTC
A year ago I would have squealed over the idea of an Amarr drone battleship. Post drone-nerf, though? Heck no. If anything we should be moving away from drones and back into lasers, because at least with lasers there's no more room left to nerf them any further.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Gosti Kahanid
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#15 - 2013-02-25 09:53:17 UTC
With the 3 Amarr-BC, you also have 3 different Roles with them.

The Abaddon is clearly a Comat-Ship with its Damage and Tank-Bonus.
The Armageddon is a Attack-Ship with more DPS than the Abaddon.
The Apocalypse is a SniperShip with its Range-Bonus.

What will happen with Tiericide is that every BS will get the same ammount of Slots, so the Abaddon will lose one, or the other two will gain one
Hakan MacTrew
MUTED VOID
#16 - 2013-02-25 11:16:31 UTC
Gosti Kahanid wrote:
With the 3 Amarr-BC, you also have 3 different Roles with them.

The Abaddon is clearly a Comat-Ship with its Damage and Tank-Bonus.
The Armageddon is a Attack-Ship with more DPS than the Abaddon.
The Apocalypse is a SniperShip with its Range-Bonus.

What will happen with Tiericide is that every BS will get the same ammount of Slots, so the Abaddon will lose one, or the other two will gain one

All 3 Amarr BSs have 19 slots. I don't see any slot losses on the horizon, maybe a shuffle, but no losses.

And cheers for the linky to the other thread Caytlin
Weasel Juice
Mayhem and Destruction
#17 - 2013-02-25 12:30:10 UTC
Gosti Kahanid wrote:
With the 3 Amarr-BC, you also have 3 different Roles with them.

The Abaddon is clearly a Comat-Ship with its Damage and Tank-Bonus.
The Armageddon is a Attack-Ship with more DPS than the Abaddon.
The Apocalypse is a SniperShip with its Range-Bonus.

What will happen with Tiericide is that every BS will get the same ammount of Slots, so the Abaddon will lose one, or the other two will gain one


The Abaddon has more damage than the Geddon by itself.

While you have an extra lowslot for an additional Heat Sink, you could also argue that the Abaddon does not mind changing a Rig slot for a Burst Aerator, since it already has so much extra tank, and suddenly you end up with a ship with better tank and better DPS still.
Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
Ankle Biter's
#18 - 2013-02-25 12:53:03 UTC
Ehhemm. /me clears throat Ugh

rigs, t2 ships, factions ships, Roll

stop the " change "Evil

start the " new " Big smile


In english that le'ment,...
You should try to make a post that asks for a new type of the armageddon...
also know as a new variation...

Let htat new variation fit your needs, and re post.
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Akara Ito
Phalanx Solutions
#19 - 2013-02-25 13:58:57 UTC
Valleria Darkmoon wrote:
TBH what i remember from the dev post a while back was them listing the battleships as disruption which was the scorpion only then attack and combat battleships.

What I actually hope for is that Amarr/Gallente/Minmatar will get a "disruption" battleship and Caldari will get a new combat battleship, but maybe that's just me. If you want a drone based Amarr battleship that's where I'd want to see it.


Thats sounds like the most realistic thing to happen, assuming CCP actually plans on adding another group of BS hulls.
I just hope they actually keep their promise and dont screw with the current Amarr BS.
Its such a fine tuned setup with 3 BS basically using the same weapons yet have their own roles, would be a waste to change that.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#20 - 2013-02-25 14:08:47 UTC
PavlikX wrote:
Hello.
So, my opinion that Armagedon can be "Prophesy style" drone carier. Bonuses +5% to resists and 10% of HP and damage to the drones. 7 high slots, 6 turrets, 6 missile hardpoints.


As close as makes no difference, its called a Rattlesnake.

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