Player Features and Ideas Discussion

…and the question has always been: yes? So what? Just because it's “illegal” doesn't mean that it's wrong or broken, and it most certainly does not mean that it's not allowed.
No, it's deemed necessary because said industrialists are part of the war machine and thus need to be disruptable, and because the game is open-ended enough not to force people into corps, if they either decide they don't need the benefits, or if they decide they don't want to deal with the downsides.
How so?
No, as ganks. In fact, I'd venture to guess that outside of these kinds of orchestrated events, mission runners in particular are common targets because they're actually worth a gank. On any non-campaign day, check the kill heatmaps — they are not exactly concentrated on mining areas…

If anything, it's the opposite: it takes a particular kind of idiocy to run missions while at war, so it's far rarer that those boats get violenced under wardec than as part of a suicide gank (well… unless the owners suffer from that other kind of idiocy that makes them try to use their mission boats as player-combat ships).

He has got a point though, those doing the ganking hide just as much behind Concord, up until the time they strike.

I say keep the ganking of hulks in hisec up. Eventually you'll either end up with no more targets to shoot, or no more game to play.

1) Yes, confuse 90 day old newbies even further by taking away all their stuffs and force them to be social. That'll work out well.

2) Yes, introduce a NEW griefing mechanic to attempt to solve an old one. Once your corp is perma-wardec'd and you can never leave, I'm sure you'll change your tune.


Your game mechanics changes are harsher than the existing one that allows for ganking.

i think you should spend a little more time to cook your idea.... Didn't read your prev post (you already said it's dumb so there is no problem here). But this one.... You started from miners and suicide gankings and finished by mission runners and "nerf them all".....

Moved from General Discussions and off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you.

Now here's the thing. I used to live in CFCville. I understood the risks, I took the neccessary precautions. I reaped the benefits of the risks. I did big ops, I did roams. I fought people who also wanted to fight. It was a target rich environment. (I even flew with G**ns - VFK, I was there!)

And get this. It didn't even occur to me to go find a Hulk and kill it. Why would you? What glory, what honour can be found in killing a mining vessel when I could hunt a T3 cruiser for 2 hours and kill it?

The point of my story....
My work got busy, I left 0.0. (I had other motivations too but RL was primary)

Any 0.0 dude will tell you, as soon as you fly into highsec there are "neuts" everywhere, all flying around, unprotected, unescorted. It took me a few days just to get in the habit of NOT locking and trying to engage every neut I saw.

And they can fly around like this all day, mostly unmolested. wtf you ask? How? Concord. I couldn't shoot without a loss.

But then the other bit dawned on me. I could also fly around without my scout. I didn't need to sit after every jump, cloaked up, eyes peeled on overview / local / d-scan. I could actually relax.

So after months of puckered anal glands, jangling nerves, lightening fast reflexes poised over warp, lock, F1, F2, I was able to fly "normally". I could start to enjoy my surrounds. I had time to chat. I had time to chill.

So I took up missioning. I don't even bother worrying about threats unless local spiked by >5. Threats? What threats? Made some coin, work got busier.

So I bought a Hulk just to keep playing while I worked (from home). And until I sold it, mining in high-sec gave me puckered anal glands, jangling nerves and lightening fast reflexes poised over warp!!!

I can't be ****** anymore. I'm a miner and I gotta play like I'm in 0.0? May as well be in 0.0!!!

But who wants to be a drone working FOR someone when I could just as easily work for ME. But then some drones working FOR someone have decided that I shouldn't be allowed to work for ME either.

And nobody questions, ingame or Eve-O, who the **** are they to tell me what I can/cannot do?? I don't need isk, I don't care about isk. I just wanna be able to log and grab a few rocks so I can build an occasional ship, buy a plex and pay for my subs. I don't wanna sit, ignoring everything else around me just so I got my finger on warp, d-scan, whatever.

Been there did that.

I AM JUST A ******* MINER.

Like I said, I can''t be ****** anymore. And I bet I'm not alone.

God, look how mad this kid is.

I'm nobody's drone. If you flew in the CFC and only knew how to function as a "drone" and act when told to then you wasted your time in 0.0.

Also, lol@you thinking the game owes you a means of making isk through afk mining.

Deal with it.

How so? In what way is it a problem?
The problem with this assertion is that it is trivially disproven by reality. The game has been like that for the last eight years, and the only thing that has lowered the number of players is when CCP has put the game on the back-burner. In fact, if you want to go into dubious correlation/causation territory like that, the game actually started to lose steam around the time suicide ganking got its last negative adjustment…
No, for the exact same reason: if there are less industrial players, then the prices will go up, which will increase the profitability of engaging in industry which will make more players do it.
A couple of problems here. Empire space is not about “learning the game” — we have newbie systems for that, and they already offer increased protection. Empire space is actually a rather nasty place (in some parts of it, you'll get blown up on principle, because it's just that kind of system). And finally, empire does not, and never has let you “play casually against the machine” for the simple reason that EVE does not support that. There is no machine to play against — only other players.

It is entirely possible for newbies and carebears to play. They just need to understand what kind of game it is they're playing.

Highsec was never intended to be safe or secure. It's safer, that's all you're going to get.