Jita Park Speakers Corner

Apparently not. There isn't any CSM work being done in the alumni channel, its entirely social. We sit around and shoot the **** and continue with **** jokes, but business is business and kept to the current CCP / CSM Skype channel only for the most part. Prometheus Exenthal and I grumble back and forth to each other about shotguns and scout suits, but since there aren't any Dust developers in the alumni channel, it doesn't exactly count as backseat CSM-ing. The previous CSM's have been quiet all year except when consulted from time to time, and seemed to enjoy their retirement. I'm fairly certain I can speak for all of us in saying our plan is to do pretty much exactly the same thing, Trebor being the exception of course.

TL, DR: The alumni channel is not for official business or cross-CSM consultation, its purely social and will in no way substitute for having Trebor on the sitting CSM, and under current NDA with all the other CSM8 members.

Wow.

Clearly and hilariously in the wrong and doubling down. You are now lecturing these CSMs on what they are experiencing every day, when you have nothing to go on.

If you keep undercutting your credibility, Ripard might have to pull out of the race. He's counting on you pick up his outsider commentary. That would be a terrible shame.

To be fair, this is the most CSM action I have seen in awhile, and that was Ripard's biggest gripe. But true, Poetic does seem to be too sacrificial at it at times.

But anyhow, its nice to see all the other CSMs, actually answering the question I asked Trebor. Its too bad he is the only one running, and the person you guys are relying on to hold the fort down, so people can run off and have fun.

And it sounds like Trebor, they are not gonna help ya out at all either, after they vote ya in. Just gonna go off and fly space ships. And only talk to ya to shoot the **** and for jibs and jabs*. Oh how I might vote now. And I don't even have to rely on Trebor's inventive creation as well.


* "There isn't any CSM work being done in the alumni channel, its entirely social. We sit around and shoot the **** and continue with **** jokes,"

The exact mechanics depend on the STV counting method, but if your preferred candidate doesn't need all of your vote, then an appropriate fraction of your voting power moves to your next preference.

Simplified example:

If you vote Trebor > Ripard > Malcanis, and 2000 votes are needed to get elected, and I end up getting 4000 votes, then I get elected. Since I needed half of your vote to get elected, your ballot becomes Ripard > Malcanis, but worth 0.5 vote.

If on the other hand, you voted Helmut von Loser > Ripard > Malcanis, and Helmut gets eliminated, then since none of your vote was used by Helmut, your ballot becomes Ripard > Malcanis, but still retains its full value.

That was a Good Post™ by the way. Some of you might have trouble recognizing that.

Having lost the debate, you've now moved to cynical defeatism. Nice.

You do make its confusing to know what the growth track is really, Trebor. I agree the ultra safe place isn't really that bad of an idea, but it does seem there are other places to see growth depending on the perspective, and I wouldn't even know what would be the best one, besides becoming WoW or something. Which is probably too hard to do right now really. But that could be all at the upper management lvl like ya said.

I think poetic is coming from the player lvl though, where players see making hi sec safer, or an ultra safe hi sec area, as too easy really. Seems some player perspective is towards nothing easy, and it should be harder. Or gains should be hard to have.

I think the only chip in the game Poetic has really, is the sandbox title really. Like Trebor said, CCP is smart enough and probably has enough options to always make money. One of their proud points, is that iceland went broke, but their company never did.

But a sandbox, would have to pay attention to player concerns or at least allow them to interact with each other, which understanding player concerns matter then mostly. CCP could take the Sandbox adjective away, and not listen to the players anymore.

Personally, I am not old enough to feel the hope for fresh blood in the game, so some points will be hard for me to argue for. But it did seem CCP itself, doesn't want a shabby unfit player base really. So Poetic shouldn't worry too much. But from my perspective either CCP will try to improve people and move them to better places, or if they are untouchable, EVE players try their best to reach out and touch and move them to better places. Which is why they are worried about an ultra safe area, CCP won't be able to touch the players there if they become unfit and lazy and also players won't be able to grab them for being lazy.

But like I said, I don't know new players very well. So I wonder what you think of them Trebor, do they want an easy game, or are they unfit and lazy? Or do they just genuinely want an area to themselves, and promise to move or or make something of themselves afterwards?

( EVE players are very jaded from the WoW and their player base, sometimes I think they think all new players are from WoW making it very hard make an ultra safe hi sec trustworthy enough to them.) ( I suppose their paranoia is justified considering I came from WoW, its too bad you are running for CSM again Trebor, you and I could make a good troll tag team, trying to make EVE safer.)

I draw a different moral from Trebor's Churchill anecdote, specifically: once you've shown that you're ready to sell out what you believe in, then there's nothing to stop people from dragging the price down as far as they like.

That wasn't the context you provided though: it was doing something you'd find morally repugnant for a sufficient incentive, not having your belief in whether it was repugnant changed. Once you've shown youre willing to do it at all, then what leverage do you have to keep the price high?

Trebor's entire campaign is about selling out. And he's trying to convince as many as he can to sell out with him. "Look what I can promise you if you sell out! More devs! Faster [your area of space] development!"