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Legitimate game mechanic.

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obvious forumalt
Doomheim
#61 - 2013-02-24 17:15:04 UTC
I had to check the OP's corporation as that sounded like some chumps in my mains alliance...
Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
#62 - 2013-02-24 17:22:10 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
stuff


Can I like this comment more than once?


Just click it harder.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#63 - 2013-02-24 17:27:06 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
To be fair, to be killed because of a serverside hardware issue does border on bullshit... but it is kind of the risk you take when you hit Jita rather than another trade hub.


To be fair, would the lack of any server side issues resulted in a different outcome? Running around Jita in a no-tank hauler with hundreds of millions of isk worth in the trunk during wardec and getting killed by a technical issue is like not studying for a major test and then wondering why you didn't get a freebie because your pencil broke and had to waste time asking for a replacement.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
#64 - 2013-02-24 17:38:00 UTC
I fly freighters during war, as my freighter pilot is apart of my corp and I am in FW. It's not a big deal. The problem I have is CCP will reimburse on account of lag. Well this is basically the same thing. There have been a few times where I have been held up on gate in a traffic control, where it would not let me stop the jump and warp away. And this doesn't just happen when you are in industrial ships. I almost lost my buzzard once because of it and a friend of mine lost a caracal.

I feel that if you are going to enter a state of purgatory upon being held up due to traffic control, then CCP should stop other people from making any action against your ship until you jump through to the other side. It is dumb that they would allow that to happen knowing full well that there are times that you get stuck when encountering a traffic control.

Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought.

Brutus King
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2013-02-24 18:47:29 UTC
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Hang on... AHA... ok...
Brutus King
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2013-02-24 18:47:45 UTC
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

OK, I'm done.
Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
#67 - 2013-02-24 19:09:28 UTC
Brutus King wrote:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

OK, I'm done.


Now you've set me off!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.............koff

Seriously you haul on an in corp toon who is in FW and don't bother to fit the ship at all?

Jita gate could have been open and the dude would have just followed you through and caught you on the other side

There is no excuse for this and no one to blame but yourself.

Just suck it up, quit trying to blame CCP and learn from the experience.

Then roll an alt (hey there is even an offer for 90 day accounts atm go figure)

I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence.....

Kane the Black
Doomheim
#68 - 2013-02-24 19:28:45 UTC
Came for tears, left satisfied. Pirate

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handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#69 - 2013-02-24 20:43:40 UTC
Steve Spooner wrote:
I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?

Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right?

Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed in high sec. No, I was killed trying to warp through Jita gates and stopped because it was too congested.

As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.

Jeez people, keep it short and civil.

To clarify: My corp participates in faction warfare as Caldari state protecterate. Jita and the entirety of The Forge is Caldari space, and in comes a Minmatar pilot in a catalyst dealing ~400 dps. I did try to warp off when I saw that the gates were closed but he locked me down before I could warp because I'm in a BADGER. The corporation I am in has no active war declarations. I am not talking about the state of the game or the fact that I was blown up, I'm talking about the METHOD in which I was blown up. This isn't like low/null sec where you can scout things out and scan down the system for bubbles, it is a single choke point that closes and opens at a whim with no reliable way of activation without the "Jita gates are closed" etc etc message.

Oh also, it's my fault that Jita gates were closed? Really? Tell me how.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

and yes it's your fault, you undocked with 350M in a badger and you were in FW. The fact that Jita was busy was something you could've known since it happens every weekend now for a month or so.

Baddest poster ever

Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#70 - 2013-02-24 20:54:56 UTC
I have an answer for the OP. Move to NZ or Australia. The Jita gates are never closed when we're on P
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-02-24 21:02:26 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
And in that scenario, I definitely would call his fault on it, lol. No fittings at all.. wow..

It was his fault in either scenario.
Ignorance of game mechanics, even mechanics such as the Jita gate refusing you access because there are a lot of people in-system, is not an excuse.


If said game mechanics aren't visible unless you know to look for it, happen upon it on accident, or have the situation happen to you, then yeah, ignorance is a bit less their fault and more at the fault of lack of good ways to discover the mechanic before it becomes an issue. I mean say for example the mechanic existed as it does now, yet no one ever ran into it. Who would know about it? That's something you have to think about if you look at something beyond the shortsighted side of things. Because honestly? I don't think anyone would.

Except that this is something that happens all the time and there are 500 QQ threads per day about it.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2013-02-24 21:21:44 UTC
Joran Dravius wrote:
Except that this is something that happens all the time and there are 500 QQ threads per day about it.


That would actually prove my point more if we went under the assumption that the people didn't know about the problem until they ran into it. Granted those that DO know about it should be crossed off the list because they went in with the knowledge this could happen, but beyond that or happening upon it somewhere (which is less likely than your bloated number suggests)... ehhhh.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#73 - 2013-02-24 21:49:11 UTC
OP should blame himself for being a moron, not the game, us or CCP.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2013-02-24 22:12:05 UTC
Well, I think this phrase is appropriate - No, no, no, no, no, noooooobody's fault but mine.

Now about Jita, that is definitely a major issue that needs to be fixed. If CCP can easily reinforce a system to handle +5000 ships for a big Alliance war, then CCP can definitely fix the Jita system.

Eve Online is advertized as having more than 5000 star systems as well as 2500 wormhole systems for players to access. No where does it say during weekends one specific solar system will not be open. There's no excuse for the Jita gate to be locked out from access, other than to help facilitate the ease of suicide ganking.

I was gonna mention a specific game mechanic and while looking for a link to it, stumbled upon this in the Tyrannis Patch Notes :
Quote:
The much-loved and informative "Traffic Advisory" messages have disappeared from EVE, forever.
Shocked

Guess I should thoroughly read the patch notes from now on, especially the 'Miscellaneous' section. I wasn't aware of this change and it definitely explains the lack of me seeing them in-game. And all this time I was thinking CCP had the server running smoothly.

That being said, I don't understand why CCP removed those messages anyway. I think they should be reinstated and made active again.

Anyway, second time is just as good as the first time - No, no, no, no, no, noooooobody's fault but mine.


DMC
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#75 - 2013-02-24 22:20:15 UTC
Dark Reignz wrote:
Wouldn't fitting the badger a tank (or anything for that matter) have bought you a smidgin of time against the lone destroyer ?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16474383



Man if I were that catalyst pilot I would have sent a petition straight to the loot gods

"WHY?"

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.

rareden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2013-02-25 09:31:30 UTC
Steve Spooner wrote:
I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?

Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right?

Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed in high sec. No, I was killed trying to warp through Jita gates and stopped because it was too congested.

As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.

Jeez people, keep it short and civil.

To clarify: My corp participates in faction warfare as Caldari state protecterate. Jita and the entirety of The Forge is Caldari space, and in comes a Minmatar pilot in a catalyst dealing ~400 dps. I did try to warp off when I saw that the gates were closed but he locked me down before I could warp because I'm in a BADGER. The corporation I am in has no active war declarations. I am not talking about the state of the game or the fact that I was blown up, I'm talking about the METHOD in which I was blown up. This isn't like low/null sec where you can scout things out and scan down the system for bubbles, it is a single choke point that closes and opens at a whim with no reliable way of activation without the "Jita gates are closed" etc etc message.

Oh also, it's my fault that Jita gates were closed? Really? Tell me how.

MORE CLARIFICATION: I'm not complaining about the loss/losses as it took me about 4 hours of sitting in complexes watching 5 episodes of the walking dead on my other monitor and glancing at local every once in a while. I got jumped a few times and by a few gate camps, but oh what's this? I BURNED TO THE GATE AND JUMPED THROUGH BECAUSE IT WASN'T CLOSED. And once again, cause of death was because Jita gates were closed, something that no amount of preparation or "scouting" would prevent. Really it comes down to how fast you can press jump and enter jump and enter jump and enter, rinse repeat until you're in. Also why would I go to the Amarr trading hub? There isn't a State Protecterate station within reasonable distance and the prices are subpar.

Also the thread title is "legitimate game mechanic" I'm not asking about the internal factors of this kill such as faction warfare, suicide ganking, etc. I'm saying that the ONLY reason I died was because I was denied use of gate due to Jita being overfilled which is due to hardware restrictions.

I think I should add an appendix for this post.

dont fly a badger around with 350mill in it when your at war you nub
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#77 - 2013-02-25 09:54:33 UTC
I dislike it as lore and a mechanic. Insurance should not pay out for ships that are destroyed by CONCORD and CONCORD should either pod the criminal on the spot or take his pod into custody where he can serve a prison sentence or pay a fine based on the damage he caused.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Klyde
Lost Wacko's
#78 - 2013-02-25 10:18:14 UTC


Most ppl in your situation would have an alt for stuff like this, a second account, a toon not in the same corp..

the fact you were in the ship you were in, with the load you had and in fw flying to the busiest system in eve(jita) just means you really do not understand this game as much as you might think you do.

Think about it. even though you were screwed in a way by the gate, you screwed yourself before that by not making the right choice's to begin with. Step back and count the number of wrongs you did before you even got to the gate that might have saved this from happening.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
#79 - 2013-02-25 10:28:44 UTC
I hope you've now learnt that posting this kinda **** on forums, will get u trolled to death. Just keep it between you and CCP. gf GD, gf.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-02-25 10:38:58 UTC
I'd kick you from corp tbh

It's only 350mil but still, you should know better