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Difference between a Tengu and a Proteus?

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Somnorific
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-02-22 17:06:50 UTC
Hi.
Sort of new and havent experienced many ships as of yet.
I hear the word Tengu mentioned quite a bit in the OP lands.
Since im Gallente and training for a Proteus Im trying to figure out the main differences between such ships.
I understand modules will have something to do with this but want to understand the main differences between such ships and mods they will fit.
What makes this ship such a different T3 ship?

Many thanks-
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-02-22 17:08:06 UTC
tengu uses missiles proteus mainly blasters

proteus is armour tanked tengu is shield tanked

theres 2 to start you off
Somnorific
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-02-22 17:15:01 UTC
would you say that the OP argument is more geared toward PVP or is it across the board a better ship to use?
Ginger Barbarella
#4 - 2013-02-22 17:24:13 UTC
Tengu, from my experience, was (not so sure now) one of the top Five mission boats to use (pve). With the recent missile nerf/buff/whatever it really isn't so much any more.

The Proteus gets raves from many as a great PVP boat, but I don't have any experience with the Proteus in PVP (I'm averse to using a 1bil isk boat in pvp). I'm sure there's plenty of threads out here on Proteus PVP if you just use the Search function.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-02-22 23:06:14 UTC
I hear the Proteus is good for wormholes, but for the rest of pve the Tengu has an edge.
However since you're new, I wouldn't hop in to any of these yet. Especially for pvp because you really want to know what you're doing when you put a billion+ ISK ship on the line.
Cap James Tkirk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-02-23 00:39:26 UTC
fly them on the test server and get a feel for them, see which you like better.
Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#7 - 2013-02-23 05:12:34 UTC
The differences?

Like between night and day? Oil and water?
Sodohm
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-02-23 05:55:50 UTC
Somnorific wrote:
Hi.
What makes this ship such a different T3 ship?

Many thanks-


What you're basically asking is what is the difference between a drake and a brutix. If you can answer that question, you can answer you OP question.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-02-23 07:25:28 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Proteus = cloaky gank.

It's the only t3 that can put out more than 500 dps with covops sub. There's also the brick tank and interdiction nullifier. You select your target, uncloak on top of it, pop it, and be gone before help arrives.

Tengu honestly isn't much good. Tank is paper think, and actual dps is bad. The only use is with 100mn gemmick, and then it just makes you hard to pin down. With missile dmg application being what it is, you don't kill with it, it just helps you get away. The blobbers whining about it are just mad that they didn't get the expensive km, not that they got popped by it. Unless smacking after getting away from the blob is your thing, don't bother.
Roime
Shiva Furnace
#10 - 2013-02-23 07:36:13 UTC
Well, it's not the only cloaky C3 that can pump over 500 dps, even Tengu can do that. But it's the only thing with a covert ops cloak doing over 650 dps with 120K+ EHP.

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Rammes lol
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-23 09:05:26 UTC
i fly both use the tengu for PVE and my pro for PVP. not saying the tengu cant pvp this is jjust my preference

If you find yourself in a fair fight in EvE your tactics suck!!!

Vizvig
Savage Blizzard
#12 - 2013-02-23 10:17:28 UTC
Train both ships or buy character.

Proteus for burning cyno's

And tengu for other tasks.
Somnorific
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-02-23 19:57:50 UTC
thx for the useful info-
Korvus Falek
Depraved Corruption
#14 - 2013-02-24 16:24:18 UTC
Im gonna tell you something I was told early on in my EvE career:

If you dont know, then you arent ready to fly either one.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-02-24 17:25:28 UTC
Korvus Falek wrote:
Im gonna tell you something I was told early on in my EvE career:

If you dont know, then you arent ready to fly either one.


People who don't know and don't ask will never know. Welcome to Eve, permanoob.Cool
Akara Ito
Phalanx Solutions
#16 - 2013-02-24 17:39:38 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Korvus Falek wrote:
Im gonna tell you something I was told early on in my EvE career:

If you dont know, then you arent ready to fly either one.


People who don't know and don't ask will never know. Welcome to Eve, permanoob.Cool


Its not that hard to figure out things yourself and while asking is also a lot better than "permanoob" its still correct that you shouldnt fly ships you dont understand.

Though in this case one can probably sum it up with Tengu for pve and Proteus for pvp.
Somnorific
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-02-24 19:56:12 UTC

Logic dictates me-
now this community is pretty good but like many, is also full of internet ego warriors.
'not that hard to figure out yourself' is a pretty egoistic comment.
I find it interesting that I shouldnt fly ships I dont understand and need to figure the ship out for myself.
Just asking a serious question such as the difference between two t3 cruisers, not being able to fly one yet but, training for one specifically.
Im curious, at what point can I fly one?
after Ive done all my theory homework and without asking teachers for guidance?

I do appreciate all the serious, non egoistic replies in this thread. You have given this noob a good reference point.


Keith Gavner
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-02-24 21:01:39 UTC
T3 cruisers such as the proteus and tengu are long term goal for you atm. As you already noticed, I refered to them as T3. The ship you fly are mostly t1. They are pretty versatile and forgiving. On the other hand ships such as t2 and t3 are not. They require you to fit them for one specific purpose where they will excel.

To give you an exemple, let's have a look at the proteus. The proteus is a t3 which plenty of different subsystems. Let say we want to fit it as a very heavy tackler. We will choose the augmented armor defensive subsystem, the localized injector propulsion subsystem and the electronic friction grav whatever.
Those 3 subs will provide you with a good defensive setup and a longer range point. So you can tackle this poor pilot and stay on the field close to him long enough for your buddies to blast him away.

If you ever wanted to do the same with a tengu, well you do have an equivalent subsystems that will increase your shield buffer tank but it will be inferior to the proteus and there just isn't a subsystems that will increase your point range.

So far, I pointed out that ship can be designed to fit specific niche. The next thing is that the t3 are supposed to be quintessence of their racial specialties. You must look at the t3 as mix between the recon and hac ship.

Gallente's recon specialties is increased range for points. Hence the gallente t3 has a subsystem for that. On the other hand, the caldari are specialized in ecm and so the tengu has a subsystems for that. ( I have rarely seen ecm tengu, just saw one loss for an armor tanked ecm tengu, go figure...).

So once again, t3 are specialized and so what the other tried to point out with more or less subtlety is that if you don't know what you want to do with them, you will get frustrated when you can fly them. Flying a t3 is a long term investment and just realizing that you trained for a ship you have no use for is really uncool.

Somnorific
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-02-24 21:08:11 UTC
at the very least, the prereq for a prot gives me an advantage to the ships I currently can fly.
I guess im just doing my homework prior to flying.

thx for the info.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-02-24 21:25:33 UTC
Proteus excels at a specific niche of pvp, that's cloaky gank. It's the solo roamer's boat. The only way to both solo and win these days. If you select your targets well, you will never lose it.

Fit it any other way, and you'll soon run into the typical blasterboat issues. I wouldn't fit it as a "heavy tackler." Cheap boats do better for less and without the SP loss.
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