EVE General Discussion

This game is what you make of it.

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But the female hairstyles and the cocky male portaits hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Damn man that what keeps me hooked.

Eve IS a big game. There is tons of stuff to do. But i agree with op, Its not a sandbox game. Many career paths often just ends up in being a matter of training a linear path of skills to the point of excelling. Perhaps that is why i enjoy pvp so much because the fights are never the same. But what i might not enjoy someone else is loving and i have great respect for ppl that put all the eggs in fx the mining basket.

I think why CCP has kept the game framed is because they want to control the game a bit for us. Is that necessarily bad? No, Eve IS a great game and CCP has provided us with lots of paths for everyone to enjoy it with. Once those paths are done though, there is not much variation no (pve professions) but in many games like this, it is often the journey instead of the goal that is what keeping us playing.

Anyways i dont think CCP will ever add a true sandbox element to the game (like being able to make our own spaceships, stations, clothe etc.) but what i hope they will expand on is the customization we can have.

My wishes for having fun while being on a training path in eve:

- More ships like the strategic cruisers design where we get to put in the role in the ship ourself.
- Customable ship colors/decals (why does my enemys ship look exactly the same as mine)
- Station enviroment, let me choose how my quaters look like?
- PI, add more things to this, mini games, its very boring atm for what it could have been.

And so on and so on. Mostly though i just hope they expand on station quaters soon. It would be so entertaining to meet up at the stations in person or do the career choices from the actual factory section of the station and see your work being processed :)

sandbox=minecraft, eve is for online pew pew, shoot something youll be less bored

Surely the problem with not having some sort of rough balancing of ships etc, is that a few 'unbalanced' i.e. overpowered ships would be the only ones used?

Many ships which were previously more or less redundant before CCP started the ship balancing, are now used far more in pvp etc.

The Atron is a good example of this.

I started playing EVE about 5 yrs ago on a friend's acct, subbed my own in 2009, and have been in love with this place ever since.

I don't necessarily disagree with everything the OP stated. I certainly have had issues with the tiercide initiative and subsequent ship balancing. Choices have been sacrificed through this process. Gone are the days of choosing between the missile race, the laser race, the projectile race etc. or choosing between modules x,y, and z that each do something different for n penalties. Some of these things have become streamlined and each race now practically has a missile ship, a drone ship, etc. Everybody now needs to train everything and in that, it does seem as if some of the customization has been lost. By the time I train the skills necessary for my new balanced ships, it's my character that's going to be balanced. I've certainly noticed.

So I'll give him that much.

But this game is not boring or sucky in any sense of those words. There are times when I practically live in New Eden. I never feel safe and I trust no one. And that's in high sec.

It's easy to get lost in the big picture arguments over what EVE should be or could be but for me what makes EVE awesome is the little things. Not knowing whether the guy scanning you during Jita undock is about to blow your ship away. Not knowing when 6 people you've flagged red in your system are just passing through or are they here for you. The dynamism of the marketplace. The need for contingency plans. The endless choices of career paths. The necessity of strategy and the ability to adapt. The incredibly diverse, multinational playerbase. A universe so vast I will probably never fully explore it. The sense of awe and wonder when I still see new things I hadn't yet experienced. Emergent content. I'm passionate about this game. I could go on and on.

In fact, to shake things up in my own game, after playing for years, I decided to kill my main. Dead. No sales. No transfers. Dead. (Now there's a novel idea.) And truly, this second-go-round has been more fun than the first. I know more about what to do and when to do it. I'm training things in the proper order. I have new strategies and new plans and new ideas on how to best succeed based on my earlier trials. I'm not jumping into high-risk activities before I have a sustainable income source. etc, etc, etc...

I just don't really see how I'll ever get bored with the game until it stops challenging me. And since in my game, the challenge, the unrelenting nonstop challenge, is provided by other players, CONSTANTLY, there's virtually no chance it'll ever happen. No, EVE is quite stuck with me. I've seen this game change so much over the past few years almost all for the better. I hope and plan to see it continue to thrive through its next decade.

I also have no doubt that CCP will shock and awe us again at some point. Their track record is pretty good on that front. When wormholes and T3s were introduced in Apocrypha or when pvp was just recently turned on its head with the new destroyers and the bounty hunting profession in Retribution, CCP rose to the occasion in an attempt to recapture our collective sense of wonder. You just can't expect new ships and new space every expansion or disappointment is guaranteed.

You know, when I was in middle school, my science instructor told me once that "only boring people get bored." He was kind of a d***. But as I grew older, I came to realize that the d*** was right. Life is what you make of it. Everything's relative. You can only control your own reactions to situations and stress is imaginary. Those lessons most certainly apply to EVE Online - moreso than in any other game I've tried.

In EVE we are the content.

And one thing I've come to expect, nay, enjoy, that keeps me looking over my shoulder, that the OP seems to find lacking...

is that in this place, chaos is a constant.

Yonis Kador

Yes it was a rant.

Our character portraits are right next to our posts and its sometimes easy to get drawn into our in-game persona's when writing here, all rough edges, smack talk, and HTFU. But we should not behave like our Eve characters in the real world. RL is not a game, its hard work and requires help and support from the people around us.

The OP was part attitude, part vent, and part poorly thought out idea. If I was a Dev I would find it to be disheartening and frustrating. And then to see that same attitude posted and reposted and then used to illustrate another perceived flaw, would change my work from a joy into a grind.

Its a good way to portray a character in Eve, however it is not a good way to motivate, to foster creativity, or to enable constructive change.

So to the OP: write what you need to, but don't try and justify it with thoughts of "I'm doing this to make the game better." Criticism, when delivered hastily is counter productive. It discourages the people who create and maintain our game, and is damaging to that process.

Wtf did i just read

why is everyone telling op he is wrong he has obviously played the game for a while and made up his opinion you dont need to 'HELP' him stop perceiving something he truly feels .

people here need to stop superimposing their philosophies on others that are not satisfied with eve.

There are a couple of ccp servants that post the same comment (eve is what you make it) on every forum topic that even vaguely says eve isnt alright.

This is completely unproductive and in my opinion somewhat degenerative.

Fair enough, its pretty well written. Maybe "ill conceived, ineffectual, and boorish." would be a more apt description.