EVE General Discussion

First off let me start with a quote,

Harassment (/həˈræsmənt/ or /ˈhærəsmənt/) covers a wide range of behaviors of an offensive nature. It is commonly understood as behavior intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive. In the legal sense, it is intentional behavior which is found threatening or disturbing. Sexual harassment refers to persistent and unwanted sexual advances, typically in the workplace, where the consequences of refusing are potentially very disadvantageous to the victim.

Now picture this, a player can not play due to harassment, cant undock cant rat cant make isk. This is unfair you say, a player who pays for an account should be able to play and not be harassed by someone manipulating game mechanics or "behavior intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive."

So where am I going with this? Cloaky Campers, yup I said it! Now if player "A" comes into System "A" and then finds a safe cloaks and stays there 23/7 leaving me with no way to know if it is safe to undock or not, how does this not constitute harassment? Lets try a check list;

They intend to do harm? Check
Its repetitive nature? Check
Intended to disturb? Check
Sexual? No :( (K you got me on that one)

So points stated above, can conceive that a cloaking camper should constitute harassment.

Go somewhere else you say? That again Enforces that yes it is harassment making someone change their own habits from the , you guessed it, harassment of others.

How can CCP allow this violation of the user agreement to continue?

The main point is CCP refuses to entertain harassment petitions against these toons, how can you say it is not harassment if you refuse to give us a way to combat it?!?
Many possibilities to solve the issue, from advance level probing to having carrier pilots set their fighters to "Sweep" a solar system in hopes of uncloaking a guy.

Another Argument can be made.....

This is a clear violation of user agreements since the tools provided are being manipulated in a way that was not intended.... Anyone remember bans for disconnecting in PVP? Seems to me that it was being misused discipline may or may not of been handed out and then CCP fixed it outright so you couldn't do it any more.

I wish for a clear answer from someone with in CCP as to where the user agreement lies and use of the in game mechanics. As I have said before I have filed a petition on this and encourage anyone else being affected by it to do so as well. We must unite, we must force CCP to give a answer to these injustices.

Why can my gaming experience be destroyed? Why is there not a way for me to either

A:) Report via harassment
or
B:) Learn a skill or something added into the mechanics so I can at least have a chance to defend my gaming experience.

An AFK dude in space isn't preventing you from undocking. That is your own risk averse nature. Someone AFK is, by the very nature of being AFK, unable to harm you.

If they warp over, uncloak, and violence your space canoe, then obviously they weren't AFK.

Move system, set a trap, ignore them because they are AFK.

Or C:) Grow a pair.

As has been said before. If he is AFK, he can't hurt you. He has to uncloak and be at the keyboard to do violence to you. And then you can respond in typical EVE Online fashion.

But as your name is "Bait" I'm guessing this is just a troll thread

There are many ways to counter a cloak. Off the top of my head:

Bumrush them with a 'ceptor to decloak
drag bubble them into a bunch of decloak cans
Smartbomb an area suspected of having a cloaker
throw out drones and troll to decloak

And, the ultimate...apply a single yellowbox from any ship, on the cloak ship. Instantly prevents cloaking.


in order to cause any sort of direct harm to your ship, a cloak must decloak. you may then apply any of the above counters, or something else awesome you come up with, to prevent a recloak and kill the target.


Unfortunately, there's no way to prevent you from being afraid of a neut in local. There's also no way to tell when a login trap has been set.

CCP nerf logins please.

L2P issue... CCP can't help you, there is no known cure for stupidity.

I LOL'd

OP - in the 'real world' then these actions could be loosely described as harassment, but the last time I checked my real world, I wasn't in space firin ma lazors at asteroids for minerals, hence your argument is completely nullified straight away.

how do you intend CCP fix the problem, have a timer on your cloak that requires user intervention to press a button before you decloak after say 10 mins? "Oh No! there's an afk cloaker outside somewhere and I can't make any internetspacebucks for the next 10 minutes :O, CCP 10 minutes is too long, make it 5!....."

One patch later, ccp reduces the time to 5 minutes.
"Oh No! there's an afk cloaker outside somewhere and I can't make any internetspacebucks for the next 5 minutes :O, CCP 5 minutes is too long, make it 2!....."

next thing is you're out in a system in a nice spot in your uberisk anomoly and you need a quick bio break, you hit the cloak and go shake the snake or whatever, come back and you're in your clone station cos 2 minutes ain't long enough.

By the very nature of your argument, AFK Cloaker cannot do any harm, they're Away From Keyboard, it's your resistance to someone violating your space canoe that does the harm.

It has always been the case, and I hope it always will be the case, if you can't handle the perceived threat from an AFK cloaker then maybe nullsec isn't for you.

Sir, I gladly present you with your complimentary teaspoon of concrete.... now HTFU. The whole point of Null is that it is inherently unsafe. Move somewhere else, don't fly what you cant afford to lose or just go back to HiSec because null is obviously too much for you OP.

0/10 would not reply to troll again.

Frankly, by your definition of harassment, mostly everything in eve is harrassment. To consider a cloaky camper harassment and that it is unjust is quite a stretch.

It is not a clear violation of user agreements, it's not even a vague violation. There is no manipulation that wasn't intended. Do you truly believe that CCP intended cloaky ships to only stay in a system for 5 minutes and then by some ridiculous rule have to jump out or have their coordinates transmitted because that's the 'fair' thing to do.

Go ahead and submit your suggestions in the suggestion forum regarding ways that cloakies can be decloaked. You might use your energy to be creative and come up with something that would really rock.

But I think that you need to look at the fact that your attitude of defeat is what is destroying your own gaming experience. Your allowing yourself to be incensed at something that really is legitimate gameplay and not a misuse of game mechanics and your frustration is what is ruining the game. The player who is cloaked is not out to personally harass you, they are playing the game as intended.

Maybe this game is not for you.