Missions & Complexes

3000 isk per LP

BWAHAHAHAHAHA that is some funny ******* ****.

To get 2500isk to LP you would have to sell the CNR for over 1.5 billion isk.... Just using a big ticket item to show how some of these numbers people spit out make no sense.

Now yes at one time when there was far fewer LP falling out of the stars it was a bit more. But CNR even 5 years ago was selling less than a billion.

Hmm, flying into goone space with multi-billion-isk pve ships sounds not as the smartest idee, even WHEN they would change to NRDS ... still I would like to come with my logistics.

About what you are complaining than again?

Complete nonsense. 100 Mill in an hr while doing high sec things isnt even a lot but of course it isnt a standard to make that much.

This is just the typical whining of ppl who want to have unexperienced PVP players as victims in LS. Such shattered existences with ruined Sec-standing, bad faction everywhere and no chance to get a toe into 0sec.

The listed example is as regardless as blaming a highSec explorer when finding a 100 Million ISK Item about once a week that he has too much income per hour.

Further there are so mony lowsec systems which are split to other lowsecs by high sec systems, in that case mostly impossible to be reached by lowsec-pirates and there are lots of missions that bring far more than 100 mill per hr. Those are quite safe beside some wannabe pirates. When you fly those missions just have a friend or use 2 accounts. Dont forget a tackler, hehe.

Incorrect.

Incursions have 2 exchange rates: (I'll list all 3 options being as 1 "is not available")
Pirate or FW corp stores = no conversion.
One of the 4 primary Empire factions = 80% conversion.
Any of the "fringe" (SOE, etc..) factions = 40% conversion rate.

So numbers for highsec...

10 1/2 mill ISK and 1400 LP per site.

We'll use 6 VG's per hour so 63 million ISK + 8400 LP per hour.

2 hours run time = 126 million ISK + 16800 LP.

16800 * .8 = 13440 LP that can be spent at ANY primary empire corporate LP store in the game.

2 hours... Not too bad at all being as you didn't need to spend ANY time building corp standings doing lower level encounters to start earning decent LP at a given corporate store.

The flexibility of the CONCORD LP is far too much at such conversion rates. It lets someone with trivial standings have instant access to top of the line offerings with very little time and effort.

No - it's not just the isk per hour nor the CONCORD LP. It's the overall impact of the entire thing -- coupled primarily with the ability to FARM the sites. That composite is over the top.

So, 13440 LP in 2 hours, thats what I get in a good day in 20 minutes with l4s Oo. On a bad day maybe 40. Furthermore people who complain about low lp value fail to understand that no incursion runner has to buy items with low conversion rates.
I can understand when people with high conversion rates complain, because the incursion players are flexible enogh to change lp stores depending on market situation. But actually my favorite lp store items RAISE in price, and the raise alot, instead of getting cheaper. And they raise in price more than corrosponing tags are going up in price.
Furthermore any mission should access to at least all l4 agents of 2 factions, since the agent overhaul it became rediculus easy to access l4 agents, and as they are now all q20, they bring all good amount of isk and LP. Mission runners are nearly as flexible as incursion runners AND get based on your math way more lp per hour.

If you want to blaim incursions for market changes, try to blaim them for rising dogag prices, becaue here you would have a point.

Your drop of water is contributing to rising sea levels. My flat got flooded and it's all your fault.

Epic conclusion to this whole thread Jinn Rho.
I'm almost tempted to say /thread.

Keep in mind also that most of us make tons of raw isk income, many of us dont even look into selling that concord LP, you only do it if you are really tight on money (which is not often when you do incursions regularly)

If you are going to nerf concord LP, which i think you should, then simply make the 'exchange rate' into other LP slightly lower, like 0.7 instead of the current 0.8 but please be gentle with nerfind incursions, it certainly is a fragile matter considering that there are many many people who fly poor ships and join poor fleets, those are the guys who need the most lovin... the rich get richer, thats how its always been, only thing you can do is make sure that the market economy stays balanced by simply nerfind the exchange rate from concord LP into other kinds of LP

Personally i am up to about 8 million concord LP which I never have bothered to sell yet, its a time consuming thing. And it bothers me a little to know that probably the most profit I can get from that concord LP is if buy/sell from the Concord LP store as opposed to other LP stores. concord LP is about 2k/LP-3.5k/LP, other LP stores can mostly give you 1k/LP... so converting my concord LP into other wouldnt be very profitable, in fact not nearly as profitable as selling concord stuff

Oh another important matter is that alot of mission runners who have bad standing with amarr, sadly cant even try out doing incursions because they didnt know that accepting certain missions wont let you fly into other races space, having occasional incursion spawns in minni or gallente space doesnt really help much for newcomers to invest in incursions or even try them (people like investing into careers more often than to simply try something out, because once they get bored doing something, they go after the next best career they find). You guys need to either change that 'standings thing' or inform people not to accept those missions unless they want to be blocked from flying into amarr space (which is like 99% of all space lol)