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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#21 - 2013-02-23 23:09:51 UTC
But the hardware is behaving exactly as it was designed, to handle as many people as it possibly can. This is still a pilot issue, Jita has been clogged for days now, plenty of posts about it.

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Kate stark
#22 - 2013-02-23 23:10:13 UTC
on the one hand, you shouldn't have to play russian roulette with the gates.

on the other hand, you probably shouldn't be hauling [to jita of all places] when you're at war.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-02-23 23:20:03 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
But the hardware is behaving exactly as it was designed, to handle as many people as it possibly can. This is still a pilot issue, Jita has been clogged for days now, plenty of posts about it.


Forums are never a reliable way to spread information. The majority of people aren't going to look on the forums daily for news. For even 10% to know what is going on in the forums would be a miracle in itself. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if many aren't only now discovering that this mechanic exists. Its not exactly something you find out about unless you know to actually look for it. There's not exactly a warning during the tutorial that says "clogged up systems may be temporarily blocked off". I have trouble blaming pilots for things like this that are only discovered when the circumstance actually pops up. Its a learning experience, sure, but calling them at fault? Not really reasonable.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#24 - 2013-02-23 23:22:27 UTC
Two weeks ago a certain high ranking member of my corporation *) lost a ship with several hundred millions of Isk worth of cargo wile trying to dock at Jita IV-4. Scotty was apparently busy so the docking request didn't come through. There where 2000+ in system.....
When he reluctantly told us, he immediately said there was only one to blame: him. He was right.

If in doubt about the safety of your route, scout. Being it null sec, low sec or high sec, there is never 100% safety. And that is as it should be.
Also, when flying a less defendable ship, fly the route multiple times with less cargo to spread the risk. That way when your ship gets blown up, you don't lose all. Or fly a sturdier ship of course.
And please, don't blame CCP (or anyone else) for something they have very little or no control over.

I reassure you, we all had our 'DOH... whatwasIthinking?!?.....' moments in EvE. Learn, move on and do it better the next time.

Good luck in your future endeavours!


*)Yes, us ISD people DO play EvE, although not with our ISD characters.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-02-23 23:23:25 UTC
Dark Reignz wrote:
Wouldn't fitting the badger a tank (or anything for that matter) have bought you a smidgin of time against the lone destroyer ?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16474383



Good lord, I've had T1 frigates with more tank then that.
I mean the WT could just have easily locked you up on the other side of the gate while you were aligning and blapped you then.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-02-23 23:25:05 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Good lord, I've had T1 frigates with more tank then that.
I mean the WT could just have easily locked you up on the other side of the gate while you were aligning and blapped you then.


And in that scenario, I definitely would call his fault on it, lol. No fittings at all.. wow..
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#27 - 2013-02-23 23:43:20 UTC
Killing a wartarget for being stupid is a legitimate game mechanic.

Katrina Oniseki
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-02-23 23:47:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
You got killed by a war target in highsec? In Jita? You were flying an untanked tech 1 industrial with more cargo value than the cost of a deep space transport? In Jita? Just answer those questions to yourself. This should help you work out where the problem lies so you can avoid this in the future. Cool

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#29 - 2013-02-23 23:50:33 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Two weeks ago a certain high ranking member of my corporation *) lost a ship with several hundred millions of Isk worth of cargo wile trying to dock at Jita IV-4. Scotty was apparently busy so the docking request didn't come through. There where 2000+ in system.....
When he reluctantly told us, he immediately said there was only one to blame: him. He was right.

If in doubt about the safety of your route, scout. Being it null sec, low sec or high sec, there is never 100% safety. And that is as it should be.
Also, when flying a less defendable ship, fly the route multiple times with less cargo to spread the risk. That way when your ship gets blown up, you don't lose all. Or fly a sturdier ship of course.
And please, don't blame CCP (or anyone else) for something they have very little or no control over.

I reassure you, we all had our 'DOH... whatwasIthinking?!?.....' moments in EvE. Learn, move on and do it better the next time.

Good luck in your future endeavours!


*)Yes, us ISD people DO play EvE, although not with our ISD characters.


Can I like this comment more than once?

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#30 - 2013-02-23 23:51:30 UTC
Feature working as intended.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-02-23 23:58:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
ISD Ezwal wrote:
I reassure you, we all had our 'DOH... whatwasIthinking?!?.....' moments in EvE. Learn, move on and do it better the next time.
I once lost a tanked industrial in Uedama and lost 300 mil worth of stuff in it. (incursion expansion) I wasn't in a war. I was aware that a maelstrom could kill my industrial but I figured none would cause that wouldn't be cost-effective. Or at least I didn't think it would be, cause I didn't factor in insurance. Well when Kinsang gave up his Maelstrom to pop my Bestower, I didn't rage at CCP, or the game mechanics. I didn't try to petition it. I didn't beg and plead and try to tell people that it was unfair. No, I handled it in a completely different way.

I put Kinsang on my contact list with terrible standing, and started naming all of my crappy ships after Kinsang. ie: my rifter became 'Kinsang's Wolf'.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Google Voices
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-02-24 00:55:07 UTC
4/10 on the troll, for getting some responses.....


No self-respecting EVE pilot would fly a badger in highsec during a war-dec......Shocked





"Fozzie could not comment on when this issue would be resolved and stated that “one day Veritas will come up to me and say ‘hey I fixed off-grid boosting’”, but he had no idea on a potential timeframe for this sort of miracle."
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#33 - 2013-02-24 00:56:50 UTC
Google Voices wrote:
4/10 on the troll, for getting some responses.....


No self-respecting EVE pilot would fly a badger in highsec during a war-dec......Shocked



someone created this for you.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-02-24 02:43:22 UTC
Google Voices wrote:
4/10 on the troll, for getting some responses.....


No self-respecting EVE pilot would fly a badger in highsec during a war-dec......Shocked







People do it in freighter so why not a badger?
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2013-02-24 04:00:56 UTC
So why are FW targets able to get so far into opposing territory?
I mean that seems less state war and more 2 npc corps accidentally got a mutual war (Hey RVB found where yours went)
There should be something there like much faster navy response, or for real fun make fw truly faction and leave it as is now but all fw carry a suspect flag to their entire enemy side.
Let the players have fun (and the smart prey on the dumb)
Sturmwolke
#36 - 2013-02-24 04:17:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Sturmwolke
Basic human instinct is to look for fault in others before their own. Your OP qualifies.

Now the question here, why would anyone be stupid enough to carry several hundred million isk worth of stuff in a T1 indy, thinking it's safe.
1) Dost thou thinkest it hast the agility (aka align time) to avoid a suicide gank, regardless of system sec?
2) Being an FW target, dost thou thinkest it is completely safe in Caldari space since thy enemy won't dare to show their face there, right?
3) After encountering the gate lock, didst thou thinkest to dock temporarily to avoid being a target and scanned by half a dozen other (ganker) alts loitering to take advantage of the situation?
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-02-24 06:26:50 UTC
Jita has been this way for days. Fly to perimeter, unload the valuable part of your cargo, courier contract it to PUSH, or Red frog. Either will ship it into jita, for between 1 to 1.5million, per load worth up to 1billion isk.

You're welcome.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-02-24 06:30:55 UTC
Confirming Red Frog Freight is fast, reliable, and extremely cheap. I will stake my honor on that.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-02-24 06:49:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Aren Madigan
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Confirming Red Frog Freight is fast, reliable, and extremely cheap. I will stake my honor on that.


I'm not sure if I'd Red Frog things from stations only a jump away... although... being able to setup a multi-pickup courier contract would be awesome now that I think about it. Like being able to setup a contract where you can ask someone to gather all your assets and bring them to one place, and they could split it up into multiple smaller contracts if needed, set up their calculator to be able to calculate for that. Might be a programming challenge, but I'd definitely probably use it.

EDIT: I think I thought this was a different topic when I posted this... whoops..
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-02-24 06:54:44 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
And in that scenario, I definitely would call his fault on it, lol. No fittings at all.. wow..

It was his fault in either scenario.
Ignorance of game mechanics, even mechanics such as the Jita gate refusing you access because there are a lot of people in-system, is not an excuse.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)