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Why the new voting system CCP?

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-02-23 22:44:24 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Quite a few people have posted in blogs the dangers of the new voting process CCP is implementing, which cater precisely to the large, organized null sec blocs.

It caters to the large, unorganized null sec blocs.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#22 - 2013-02-23 22:47:54 UTC
I would just like to make it clear that not everyone living in highsec only cares about being able to make massive amounts o profit at zero risk.

Also limit highsec POS towers to medium and small CSM dudes.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-02-23 22:48:08 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

By December I expect to see :
Perfect refine no longer possible in high sec.
Superveld and superscordite in null sec destroying the value of high sec mining.
Incursion income reduced by 75%.
Mission income halved (on top of the devastation that occurred with the AI and TD changes in Dec.
T2 manufacturing removed from high sec
Manufacturing slots at high sec stations severely curtailed or completely removed. Not that it will matter much.

Nice suggestions there OP!

Incursions and Mission rewards are fine as it is though, but the rest is pretty nice!

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#24 - 2013-02-23 22:51:32 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
I think these are all good changes, though I really think there should be some sort of trade off for high sec. Something neat that isn't going to break these changes.


Yup, the dismantling of ****** multibox farming hisec play should go hand in hand with the introduction of some good co-op/competitive (stake-claiming) play. New players should have stuff they can even co-op in frigs and destroyers in the first couple of weeks, then right up to incursion level co-op/competitive play.


I can take your argument more seriously if you drop the words that make stars.

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Rike Ewann
#25 - 2013-02-23 22:52:24 UTC
While i am quick to jump on any post that one of the power blocs are fighting against.

I don't like the goons.
I don't like PL.
I am not a great lover of Test.

I will say however that the few recent CSMs have done more for us than the past non-affiliated in my opinion.
Just because you don't like someone or a group of people does not mean they want to destroy every thing they don't stand for.

Would have posted with my main....but my main is banned :)
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#26 - 2013-02-23 22:56:50 UTC
As much crap as Goons and Test talk about the game, we love it too, and we don't want to see it fail OR become another generic MMO. If we hated it, do you really think we'd be trying to hard to get our most talented/barely likable people elected to CSM positions?

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#27 - 2013-02-23 22:58:54 UTC
Can't come up with ideas to make nullsec better?
Just nerf highsec, the more it's put down, the greater nullsec will appear by comparison.

(Hint: It's still ****. Just now everything stinks.)

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-02-23 23:00:30 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Can't come up with ideas to make nullsec better?
Just nerf highsec, the more it's put down, the greater nullsec will appear by comparison.

(Hint: It's still ****. Just now everything stinks.)


Pretty much, ya.

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Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-02-23 23:00:55 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Can't come up with ideas to make nullsec better?
Just nerf highsec, the more it's put down, the greater nullsec will appear by comparison.

(Hint: It's still ****. Just now everything stinks.)


The funny thing is, if you look at the December CSM minutes... sounds like they have some fascinating stuff planned.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2013-02-23 23:14:37 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Can't come up with ideas to make nullsec better?
Just nerf highsec, the more it's put down, the greater nullsec will appear by comparison.

(Hint: It's still ****. Just now everything stinks.)
Fortunately, that's only how the OP envisions things. The people who are actually running with a proper null improvement agenda has some pretty well-sorted ideas on how to make it work. Sure, they still entail highsec nerfs, but that's because some nerfs of the kind are needed to provide room for improvement and — irrespective of all that — to make the whole game more balanced.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-02-23 23:18:22 UTC
... waits for the shitstorm of protests and parody videos from the vast majority that CBA'd to pay attention to current events.

Roll

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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#32 - 2013-02-23 23:26:24 UTC  |  Edited by: I Love Boobies
Funny that OP has finally realized what a sham the CSM has always been. Why do you think many people elect not to vote? Enlightenment isn't always a good thing.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-02-23 23:29:52 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Can't come up with ideas to make nullsec better?
Just nerf highsec, the more it's put down, the greater nullsec will appear by comparison.

(Hint: It's still ****. Just now everything stinks.)


The funny thing is, if you look at the December CSM minutes... sounds like they have some fascinating stuff planned.

Quote:
Using a hypothetical example of how such a feature could be used, Trebor brought up Titans and Supercaps in general. Using this type of soft-cap mechanic, Trebor suggested that to build a new supercap would require the “core” of a dead supercap. So to build a new ship you would need the same materials and time, but also a supercap “core” that has a chance of dropping after a ship is destroyed. With that plus an adjustable drop rate of the cores in rare NPC spawns, one could manipulate the population of the ships. Two step liked the idea and talked about the issue of difficulty scaling; accumulating resources shouldn’t universally make everything easier.

lmfao
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-02-23 23:36:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Aren Madigan
I didn't say it was all gold... hell, when panning for gold, there's bound to be dirt.

EDIT: Though I do agree with the sentiment that supercaps should be rare... that they should be these almighty beasts that are frightening to behold rather than something that is blobbed. Even if that means buffing the living hell out of them after reducing their numbers.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#35 - 2013-02-23 23:40:20 UTC
Removed some personal attacks and let some borderline cases stay. But I do urge you, keep it civil, polite and on topic please!

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#36 - 2013-02-23 23:55:56 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
Funny that OP has finally realized what a sham the CSM has always been. Why do you think many people elect not to vote? Enlightenment isn't always a good thing.


If a person chooses not to vote, that doesn't prove anything, it just lets the people they don't like get elected.

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Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-02-23 23:59:39 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
Funny that OP has finally realized what a sham the CSM has always been. Why do you think many people elect not to vote? Enlightenment isn't always a good thing.


If a person chooses not to vote, that doesn't prove anything, it just lets the people they don't like get elected.


While true, its a rather rampant mindset that needs to be addressed and fixed... in real life as much as in game. Wish I had an answer as to how.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#38 - 2013-02-24 00:00:08 UTC
There's no issue.

Hi seccers don't vote CSM candidates nor spend their life pressing F5 on the EvE forums and posting brainwashed propaganda.

They just vote with their wallet and often times leave without a bang.

It's a fair system and the one that gives CCP the only true feedback to their decisions, much better than any CSM could ever dream to do.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2013-02-24 00:10:13 UTC
Good, very little got done with the last CSM.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#40 - 2013-02-24 00:13:16 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
There's no issue.

Hi seccers don't vote CSM candidates nor spend their life pressing F5 on the EvE forums and posting brainwashed propaganda.

They just vote with their wallet and often times leave without a bang.

It's a fair system and the one that gives CCP the only true feedback to their decisions, much better than any CSM could ever dream to do.


You come across as being very libertarian.

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