EVE General Discussion

You get things fantastically wrong in general. Allow me to submit a few thoughts for your consideration:

1. EVE is not a game for everyone.
2. EVE has a complete different audience to SW:TOR
3. The growth profile for EVE, game design and game objective is completely different to EVE Online
4. Saying "This apple isn't an orange" is a dumb thing to say. Why do you say it?
5. Your suggestion goes against the core design of EVE.
6. Your suggestion would destroy EVE, the MMO that has grown for the last 10 years.

Let's face it - a PvP game is not for everyone. Let's make that clearer. Even if you never intend to participate in ship to ship combat; you have agreed to do so by playing this game. It is a risk you take every-time you undock. Yet, some avoid the gatecamps, the battles and so forth and do their little industrial thing merrily while understanding that they are doing so in a dangerous environment.

The OPs problem can easily be solved by himself. We don't need CCP to throw resources at his idea because the game has the options for him to experience content similar to what he described.

That is why my post wasnt a suggestion, more pointing out that from a storyline/immersion point of view FW is as dumb as hisec incursions are.

How about Concord invades Lowsec

Your comment proves that is true. Your second sentence validates your first. lol.



So.....what's your take on the Sansha incursions? They've gone into lots of areas of Empire and shut belt mining down. In lowsec and nullsec they kill players at the gates. It's not a flawed agenda at all. Everything I've proposed has already been thought of by CCP. Seriously, listen to Voices From The Void podcast. CSM Salene talks about CCP devs proposing the very things I said in my OP. This is something I've wanted to see in EVE since I first started playing the game. I don't give a flying $@C& about lowsec and/or nullsec. Wormholes I do like. Highsec I also like, but 0.5-0.7 system's NPC PvE content is just boring and should be improved on farther. Missions should be more random as to triggers, spawns, as well as scale to the size of fleet the players go in with. It's not flawed logic at all.

Think about it like this......why is it we see so many ridiculously expensively fitted mission ships in highsec? People will say because there's too much isk in highsec missions. That's pure bullshit. It's because lvl 4 missions have near 0 risk because they are so scripted, that there are mission reports online explaining exactly how to beat the mission, they tell you which NPCs are the triggers for the next spawn, and they even go as far as to tell you at what range the individual NPC's will orbit you at. Hell they even tell you which rats warp scram.

Level 5 missions, and sleeper sites are completely predictable as well. Only there is the risk of PvP to actually make that PvE challenging. PvE beyond lvl 3 missions should not be so predictable. Mission agent says you're going to fight Serpentis. You know what damage they'll deal. That's all the intel you should be given. As to how many NPCs, where they spawn, which ones will scam you etc should be completely random once you get inside the mission. Until CCP enhances the PvE content in EVE to be more intense, people will continue to fly expensive fits because the only risk they have are players. Players should go into Lvl 4 and higher PvE missions/sites wondering if they're going to lose their ship or survive and get paid for completing the mission. That to me would make the PvE far more enjoyable than it is now.

The bears hate the idea of being in a fight that they possibly lose.

This isn't much different from anywhere else. Hence why blobs have always been a part of PVP in Eve. I have seen very few groups that would WILLINGLY engage a hostile fleet without superior numbers/ship types.

I would honestly have no problem with bounties on rats in the lower sec systems in high sec if their difficulty was increased.

I don't think most people have a problem with things paying more, as long as the challenge is there to justify it.
People would practically afk lvl 4's in high sec and make a load of ISK, that's the kind of situation that anyone with any sense would say, that's not right. At least in null and low just getting to the mission, or hunting those rats comes with an inherent level of risk that is just not present in high sec to justify higher rewards; even if the content isn't actually any harder itself to do.

If belt rats possed a real threat it would be justifiable to give them a much higher bounty pay out.


I've also always wondered something.
I see NPC haulers all over the place in high sec. What happens if you shoot them?
Does concord shoot you?
Does the faction navy shoot you?
Does it generate things like suspect flags?

I think PvE content that was geared towards "the pirate way of life" in high sec would be a nice addition as well. Being able to attack NPC supply convoys and get responces from other NPC's and players for the activity.

A lot of people are disagreeing with the OP, and I don't really understand why anyone would. He's not asking for easier, he's asking for harder and more interesting.

I have a hard time believing that anyone thinks that PvE content in EVE, overall, is something that more then a handfull of people actually think of as engaging and exciting content.

I love EVE, but lets be realistic. NO ONE ever came to EVE because they heard that it offered fun PvE.
The wolves need sheep or they starve. While the wolves aren't starving in EVE, more sheep wouldn't be a bad thing, and if EVE's PvE was something to actually brag about there would be a lot more sheep.

In the grand reality of the video game universe, sheep sometimes have a habbit of turning into wolves, or just cannibalizing other sheep.

Believe it or not, good PvE content is the best thing for PvP.

Because if there were a real war between say Caldari and Gallente, do you think it would be fought in lowsec? And without ANY involvement form the navies or other military?

Same with incursions. Concord, the navies and police forces would not tolerate incursions by Sansha and only stand by to let pod people fight it for them. In lowsec and nullsec, yep that may well happen, but in hisec? That is ridiculous and immersion/storyline breaking on a massive scale.

The whole uniniverse should get a "uniqueness" pass. Unique stations, diverse resources, little touches like storyline characters found leading navy patrols, or a constellation famed for having higher than average links to deep WH space... etc. I've always thought eve needed far more elements like this. COSMOS 2.0 if you will.

Personally, I do PvE in order to fund my trips into lowsec where I inevitably die to battlecruisers.

PvE is LUDICROUSLY bad. I literally had a mission of "touch this pole, then this pole, then this pole, now this pole over here, one more pole and yay!". It's not just that it's bad money, it's that it's bad times, and it's tricky for a 1m SP character to solo PvP.

I think we could make all sides happy if we could get the PvE to be a better trainer for PvP.

The rats on level 1 missions do 2 DPS, and attack in small waves. Not only is this not challenging, and not fun, but it also does absolutely nothing to prepare me for PvPing in lowsec. I don't need any tank, and I don't need warp stabilizers because I can always run away if I do too many waves too fast.

(It also gives me rewards equal to the challenge).

I want PvE missions that are fun, challenging, have a risk of me losing my ship, and teach me skills that I can use in PvP.

(I also want a skill that lets me have a mini-fleet of like 2-5 people, so my friend and I can do tougher missions together without my spending three weeks studying leadership, but that's neither here nor there)