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Advice on attacking a POS
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KaJebus
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#1 - 2013-02-23 21:17:00 UTC
Hey guys.

So recently I've been wondering about how to take a POS out. I'm currently on my way to getting a dreadnought to be stationed in a system, to take it out. However, I do not know "that" much about capitals and that is one of the reasons as to why I am asking for some advice.
How much can a dreadnought withstand from the POS in siege mode? How much does it cost to put a dreadnought in siege?
I was also wondering about how many, and what types of ships I should have in my fleet, as supporting cover, as I know the dreadnought would be a sitting duck if I didn't have a supporting fleet.
Any help would be much appreciated!
Google Voices
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-02-23 21:31:36 UTC
KaJebus wrote:
Hey guys.

So recently I've been wondering about how to take a POS out. I'm currently on my way to getting a dreadnought to be stationed in a system, to take it out. However, I do not know "that" much about capitals and that is one of the reasons as to why I am asking for some advice.
How much can a dreadnought withstand from the POS in siege mode? How much does it cost to put a dreadnought in siege?
I was also wondering about how many, and what types of ships I should have in my fleet, as supporting cover, as I know the dreadnought would be a sitting duck if I didn't have a supporting fleet.
Any help would be much appreciated!



The very fact that you are asking these questions, means either

A) you are trying to bait someone into attacking your toy.
Or
B) You have no business flying a Dread....Lol


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KaJebus
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#3 - 2013-02-23 21:41:53 UTC
No I generally want to know about taking out a POS, becuase it seems fun and more and more people are doing it these days, which makes me think it must make some fun money xD
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#4 - 2013-02-23 21:43:44 UTC
1. Lock POS.
2. Shoot POS.
3. Wait x amount of time.
4. Shoot POS.
5. See dead POS.

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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#5 - 2013-02-23 21:44:47 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
1. Lock POS.
2. Shoot POS.
3. Wait x amount of time.
4. Shoot POS.
5. See dead POS.


NEQ

wumbo
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#6 - 2013-02-23 21:48:27 UTC
Is there really people on the internets that don't know about google and youtube?

dafugggggggggg?!!

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#7 - 2013-02-23 21:54:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
I'll try to be helpful and assume this is not bait or a troll:

You've just advertised your intent to drop a dread, so now you've got ten or twenty corps all watching you and trying to figure out where this newbie guy is going to do it. You're going to get counter-dropped.

Do you intend to use the dread to ref (reinforce) the POS, or destroy it when it exits reinforced?

Depending on the size of the POS, you may not even need a dread. A battleship fleet would be far more defensible and flexible, though will take longer to get the job done. They will work fine against small and medium towers, dreads are overkill. For a large tower, yes you can use a dread to speed up the job, but bring a fleet anyways to defend it. Keep carriers on standby, if you have them, or expect to lose the dread anyways.

As always, everything you put on the field should be considered a total loss, even if you expect to win. Never expect to win.

Depending on the type of dread you intend to drop, and the skills of the pilot, fitting of the dread...etc... it should be able to manage anywhere from 5-20 thousand HP/s (that's your tank) while sieged, low end of the spectrum. Your biggest threat is not the POS you're attacking. It's going to be counter-drops.

More help to be provided by others in the thread, presumably.

Katrina Oniseki
KaJebus
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#8 - 2013-02-23 21:55:02 UTC  |  Edited by: KaJebus
Ahh thanks :)

Im not actually sure on what size or type of POS im attacking yet, im just planning and working out what im ganna do.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#9 - 2013-02-23 22:01:31 UTC
KaJebus wrote:

As I have been looking all over the internet, but only finding what type of fuel the dread takes, but nothing about what supporting ships I should have, tactics, or how much the siege mode costs to run :P So I came here as a last resort lol


The costs to jump and siege are dependent on the skills of the pilot. Ask the pilot who's going to fly it. They should already be aware of how much the deployment will cost. If they are not, find someone else to fly it, because that pilot should not be in a dread at all.

Supporting ships depend on what you expect to fight, and what your pilots are good at or capable of. Ideally, you should have more than one dread, carriers on standby, and a full separate subcap fleet to defend it. Maybe Armor BS or HACs. I won't speculate more on what's best here, since I don't know your situation.

Tactics are simple enough. If you've got a large enough fleet, and enough support... you should prepare for a fight. You should already know how to PvP by now anyways, so hopefully you don't need me to tell you how to fight. If you don't have enough support, you should be planning to get the **** out as soon as possible. Set your siege module to "red" after you siege the dread so it doesn't automatically start a new cycle. Get a cyno in position to jump the dread out if things get hairy. Bring enough support to destroy any interdictors and bubbles that might go up.

Insure the dread anyways. You're still probably going to lose it.

Katrina Oniseki
KaJebus
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#10 - 2013-02-23 22:15:41 UTC
Well anyways, thanks for your help :)

Im probably ganna go onto the test server also and test a few things out which is probably a good idea.

Thanks for your help!
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#11 - 2013-02-23 23:30:00 UTC
If you're in a dreadnaught on your own seiged up somewhere, the POS is going to be the least of your worries... Capitals without subcap support is just asking for trouble unless you know what you are doing.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-02-24 00:01:17 UTC
KaJebus wrote:
Hey guys.

So recently I've been wondering about how to take a POS out. I'm currently on my way to getting a dreadnought to be stationed in a system, to take it out. However, I do not know "that" much about capitals and that is one of the reasons as to why I am asking for some advice.
How much can a dreadnought withstand from the POS in siege mode? How much does it cost to put a dreadnought in siege?
I was also wondering about how many, and what types of ships I should have in my fleet, as supporting cover, as I know the dreadnought would be a sitting duck if I didn't have a supporting fleet.
Any help would be much appreciated!
Attacking a POS isn't meant to be a solo activity. You *could* pull it off solo if the POS had no offensive weaponry of any kind and the owner didn't care. Other than that, it's practically impossible to kill it solo.

If you want this thing dead, bigger ships aren't necessarily the answer. Large numbers of players are what typically do it. The more players are shooting the POS, the faster it dies. Heavier weapons means the POS dies even faster.

Typically you'll have a fleet of players come in to incapacitate the guns and POS offensive modules. Then you have your main fleet come in to start firing on the POS itself. That is the time for Dreads to step in. After offensive mods are down, not before.

Then you'll need several players acting as scouts in neighboring systems and possibly a little further out. Their job is not to engage hostiles but to report back if a hostile fleet is heading their way.

Assuming all is going well, when the POS reaches 25% shields it goes into Reinforcement Mode. It makes it so nobody can target the POS and this mode lasts for as long as 36 hours (depending on how much stront the POS owner put into the thing). Your PvP fleet then goes home and waits for the timer to wind down.

This gives the POS owner ample time to assemble a defense fleet and prepare for the return of your PvP fleet

Once the timer on the POS is complete, your PvP fleet returns and repeats the entire process listed above again, taking extra precautions because the POS owner knows when you'll return to finish the job. There's a very high likelihood that a significant fight will break out at the POS.

That is what you're going up against. You can't just warp in with a single dread and take out a POS on your own.

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General Nusense
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-02-24 00:03:23 UTC
1 dread on a POS = 1 dead dread.

make sure you insure it.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#14 - 2013-02-24 00:12:10 UTC
If I wanted to do some renaturation in highsec on offline POSes, a single Oracle with Tachyons should be enough, no?

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#15 - 2013-02-24 00:13:38 UTC
KaJebus wrote:
No I generally want to know about taking out a POS, becuase it seems fun and more and more people are doing it these days, which makes me think it must make some fun money xD

POS bashing? Fun?!
Either you're trolling us, or you *really* have no business flying a Dred.

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KaJebus
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#16 - 2013-02-24 12:31:33 UTC  |  Edited by: KaJebus
silens vesica wrote:
KaJebus wrote:
No I generally want to know about taking out a POS, becuase it seems fun and more and more people are doing it these days, which makes me think it must make some fun money xD

POS bashing? Fun?!
Either you're trolling us, or you *really* have no business flying a Dred.



If PVP isn't fun, then what is the point of it? I've attacked a POS before, (long time ago) and it was pretty fun, although the CEO logged on and threatened us with a fleet of 60 ships lol, but isn't that the fun in it? Who cares if you lose :P
And why the hell is so many people going on about me trolling you? when all i'm doing is looking what other people think, to see the best options when attacking a POS, as last time I joined in a POS attack, it was a fail and everyone bailed...
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#17 - 2013-02-24 12:50:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
KaJebus wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
KaJebus wrote:
No I generally want to know about taking out a POS, becuase it seems fun and more and more people are doing it these days, which makes me think it must make some fun money xD

POS bashing? Fun?!
Either you're trolling us, or you *really* have no business flying a Dred.



If PVP isn't fun, then what is the point of it? I've attacked a POS before, (long time ago) and it was pretty fun, although the CEO logged on and threatened us with a fleet of 60 ships lol, but isn't that the fun in it? Who cares if you lose :P
And why the hell is so many people going on about me trolling you? when all i'm doing is looking what other people think, to see the best options when attacking a POS, as last time I joined in a POS attack, it was a fail and everyone bailed...


Its just strange that you have a dread at your disposal and no idea how to use it, or even how to take out a POS.

Your cap pilot isn't by chance named Sciron is he?
Shawnm339
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-02-24 13:04:41 UTC
never ever mix the words fun and pos bash ever I don't want our noble leaders getting funny ideas that these structure shoots are enjoyable how very dare you sir!???
KaJebus
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#19 - 2013-02-24 13:09:21 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
KaJebus wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
KaJebus wrote:
No I generally want to know about taking out a POS, becuase it seems fun and more and more people are doing it these days, which makes me think it must make some fun money xD

POS bashing? Fun?!
Either you're trolling us, or you *really* have no business flying a Dred.



If PVP isn't fun, then what is the point of it? I've attacked a POS before, (long time ago) and it was pretty fun, although the CEO logged on and threatened us with a fleet of 60 ships lol, but isn't that the fun in it? Who cares if you lose :P
And why the hell is so many people going on about me trolling you? when all i'm doing is looking what other people think, to see the best options when attacking a POS, as last time I joined in a POS attack, it was a fail and everyone bailed...


Its just strange that you have a dread at your disposal and no idea how to use it, or even how to take out a POS.

Your cap pilot isn't by chance named Sciron is he?



Oh no no no. I've obviously made a mistake somewhere. I actually started this topic to help me decide whether to aim for a dreadnought. I haven't actually got a dread yet, or any capital ship. I've just got fed up with constant PVP in highsec and feel I have pretty much done and learnt about everything in highsec, and wanted to know about capitals, taking out a POS in more detail. I have looked all over the internet, but didn't actually find a good site telling me about it all, I found very slim information, and I have been looking deeply into what I want to do in EVE now for a long time... So I was curious about capital warfare/taking out a POS, as i'm looking to try something different in EVE.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#20 - 2013-02-24 13:13:50 UTC
KaJebus wrote:



Oh no no no. I've obviously made a mistake somewhere. I actually started this topic to help me decide whether to aim for a dreadnought. I haven't actually got a dread yet, or any capital ship. I've just got fed up with constant PVP in highsec and feel I have pretty much done and learnt about everything in highsec, and wanted to know about capitals, taking out a POS in more detail. I have looked all over the internet, but didn't actually find a good site telling me about it all, I found very slim information, and I have been looking deeply into what I want to do in EVE now for a long time... So I was curious about capital warfare/taking out a POS, as i'm looking to try something different in EVE.

Go and find a POS owned by a 3 or 4 man corp without a strong alliance and wardec them. A budy of mine was ransoming POS's that way and I think all he had was 6 or 7 min trained alts in BS's to shoot the POS. Have fun.
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