Warfare & Tactics

I misread your post. As long as all sides get the same rules, its fine with me. On grid with the accel gate both can fight? Sure I don't mind. Call it all part of the war zone.

Good Sirs;

I don't know anything about the meta-game. I don't even know how systems change sides. But for the last 4 months I know where to find fights with frigates without everyone warping in on top of me at once. It used to take hours of that ridiculous spherical scanning interface to find someone to shoot at.

Now all I have to do is sit still in my plex for 10 minutes and someone is sure to come try and kill me. I can pay for all the ships I lose now too.

For a guy who plays solo and just wants to log in and get shot at FW is not broken at all.

your humble servent
SeaSaw

Ice rocks are different, because there's no cap on how many can mine from it. There's a hard cap on how many farmers can exploit FW, and the soft cap goes down as more legitimate pvpers enter the system. Doesn't mean it couldn't stand to be improved still, but its not too bad.
Problem I'd have with timer rollbacks is
Say Im in a fleet doing plexing over 2-3 systems. You might have one guy per plex, one guy at the gate, the rest probably in the biggest plex available. Now some hostiles hit one of the plexes, backup gets called, so everyone at the other plexes warps over. Having the timer roll back in that situation feels kinda bad.

Also I'm glad that neutrals can dock in FW stations, they offer even better fights than the opposing militia.

But I want both! Guilty as charged.



This is a nice idea. Its more incentive for the militias to use a good FW system as a mini-hub instead of hoofing it back to highsec. Which is what I do at the moment because I'm not sure enough about which systems are more stable to go hauling a bunch of supplies in there.

Kudos for not lying to yourself, too many think that having the cake, eating the cake and still be able to sell the cake to a third party is their god given right

Precisely. Not a lot but just a tad extra incentive to actually use a system for something other than a few extra points in the tier system .. still can't for the life of me come up with a similar carrot for non-station systems that doesn't come off as artificial, but I'll get it at some point

o noooos i cant make a billion is an hour and have lots of solo kills and have lots of small/large fleet fights... FW must not be working right.

This is an interesting idea. Perhaps needs to be based on isk sinks so people cannot just cycle money back and forth between alts, things like market taxes, insurance, clone costs and repairs especially things that are specific local ecoomy.

Really? There's nothing stopping anybody from spreading ships throughout the area for quick reshipping. These ships are not destroyed when the osther side takes the system, and will be available to you when you retake it. Bottom line: Lack of courage prevents people from basing in a dangerous system, nothing else.

Lack of courage for people like you and me perhaps, we with our years in the bag and billions in our wallets. But what of the guy starting out who is tapped out after purchasing enough to stock up in the HQ system ..

Hunting farmers are best compared Whack'a'Mole, awesome past-time for those golden five hours when one was a child but as the cornerstone for a mechanic in a modern MMO for adults it is severely lacking. Traps, poison, snakes, dogs, gas etc. are the weapons of choice for the grown up when hunting moles, not a foam hammer.

Why should a defending side have to invest hundreds of millions per character and with a portion of that inaccessible half the time to be able to make less raw (ie. before tier modifier) LP than the attacker who can 'get away with' using a simple T1 fitted T1 frigate .. ?
Can you imagine how a mechanic like that would play out in null, where they threw a fit when it was discussed (by players, CCP not involved) whether jammers should effect local bridge networks? Imagine if an attacker had the same level of advantage as in FW .. most of null (carebears as they are ) would up and leave in a heartbeat.

We old timers begged and pleaded with CCP to make system upgrade paths more than they are because we all intuitively knew how it would play out and wanted something that would encourage doing the boring and less lucrative defensive work, but we never got it.
Results are exactly as projected, lots of offensive plexing going on with entire warzones changing hands in 3-5 weeks as the farmer/locust swarm moves around, systems taken to the brink of vulnerable awaiting TZ dominance before the last few % are knocked off and defence only really happening in HQ systems.
It is for all intents and purposes the same that came before, the ludicrous mass-flip system, just without the stress-factor of the timecrunch as income gradually increases throughout.

In short: Offence and Defence needs to have equal opportunity when it comes to warzone control. Too easy NPCs and larger payouts for the attacker far outweigh the ability to dock and system bonuses for the defender.
Auto-timer (that returns to 'neutral' at normal pace with no one present) would go a long way to level the playing field as farmers ISK/Hr ratios plummet .. whether it alone is enough is doubtful but it is a solid and necessary first step in my opinion.

Even shorter: While you are technically correct, you are also wrong.

veshta... old timer? if i remember right pie only entered fw in farmville 1.0 i dont think being in FW for less than a year u can consider urself an old timer tbh... u speak of attacking done in t1 fit frigs well defensives can be done in unfit frigs and the reward is not that much different . Do u even play the game ur talking about?