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A Response to New Order and James 315

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Josef Djugashvilis
#61 - 2013-02-23 08:03:53 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Tell us more about the high sec industrialists way of life.



Ask your fellow goons, many of them have hi-sec industrial alts.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#62 - 2013-02-23 08:14:26 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Tell us more about the high sec industrialists way of life.



Ask your fellow goons, many of them have hi-sec industrial alts.


And why is that? It's ok to say it. Everything will be alright.

OP needs to vote 315 as this will solve all his problems.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#63 - 2013-02-23 08:14:49 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Tell us more about the high sec industrialists way of life.



Ask your fellow goons, many of them have hi-sec industrial alts.


Now ponder on why they have highsec industrial alts. Would it be because nullsec has pretty dire industrial potential?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Xenharmonic1
BFFS or LESS
#64 - 2013-02-23 08:22:03 UTC
TL;DR: "I'm a carebear and I want EVE to be a haven for carebears."
Alavaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#65 - 2013-02-23 08:23:53 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Tell us more about the high sec industrialists way of life.

Ask your fellow goons, many of them have hi-sec industrial alts.

Now ponder on why they have highsec industrial alts. Would it be because nullsec has pretty dire industrial potential?

Indeed, the joys of not having to worry and leave you defence to tireless NPCs.

Loyalty is a virtue, participation brings reward.

Josef Djugashvilis
#66 - 2013-02-23 08:24:33 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Tell us more about the high sec industrialists way of life.



Ask your fellow goons, many of them have hi-sec industrial alts.


Now ponder on why they have highsec industrial alts. Would it be because nullsec has pretty dire industrial potential?


Yes. Null-sec needs to be drastically overhauled so that it becomes a viable option for folk who wish to move and survive without joining an alliance.

My response was to the suggestion (a false one) that the goon knew nothing of the life of hi-sec industrialists.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#67 - 2013-02-23 08:27:02 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


Yes. Null-sec needs to be drastically overhauled so that it becomes a viable option for folk who wish to move and survive without joining an alliance.

My response was to the suggestion (a false one) that the goon knew nothing of the life of hi-sec industrialists.


Dammit, there goes my policy of not agreeing with you on anything Lol

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Jumpshot244
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-02-23 08:28:47 UTC
I think this short clip pretty much sums it up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8
Josef Djugashvilis
#69 - 2013-02-23 08:30:12 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


Yes. Null-sec needs to be drastically overhauled so that it becomes a viable option for folk who wish to move and survive without joining an alliance.

My response was to the suggestion (a false one) that the goon knew nothing of the life of hi-sec industrialists.


Dammit, there goes my policy of not agreeing with you on anything Lol


You gave me a 'like' Does this mean I am doing it wrong?

James is still a NPC hopping ego-freak, surely all self respecting pvpers must hold him in contempt for that alone?Smile

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Gotch Urarse
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#70 - 2013-02-23 08:37:16 UTC
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
Eloquence is a rare trait among the rebel miners, as is an understanding of game mechanics.

Pattrick Henry wrote:
Always sign your name to something you feel strongly about.

The Supreme Protector is a gentleman and a scholar!

Alana Charen-Teng
Agent and Knight of the New Order
Loyal Servant of the Supreme Protector
Educator of Highsec Miners
Professor, New Order Department of Space Psychology



I finally get it. New Order == New Eden's Scientology. Does this mean James 315 is really Tom Cruise?
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-02-23 09:14:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Charen-Teng
Gotch Urarse wrote:
I finally get it. New Order == New Eden's Scientology. Does this mean James 315 is really Tom Cruise?

James 315 is kind of like David Miscavige, in the same way that the International Space Station is kind of like a portable latrine.

Alana Charen-Teng
Agent and Knight of the New Order
Loyal Servant of the Supreme Protector
Educator of Highsec Miners
Professor, New Order Department of Space Psychology
Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
#72 - 2013-02-23 10:39:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Reuben Johnson
In the end, what I think we'll find out, is that James and most of the New Order minion are sov/null alt's and this is their lame attempt at "burn hi-sec"...and if that doesnt work there's at least enough stupid and gullible people to join his "crusade" and vote this guy into CSM8, where he'll then exposes himself to be a true "Nerf Hisec'r."
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#73 - 2013-02-23 11:06:07 UTC
High sec no is safe. High sec is much dangerous.

I don't see much bumpers, just gankers. Not even in the systems proclaimed to be their primary targets. Gank away, I say. If the guy you ganked doesn't move for more than 10 minutes, I think I'll donate to that ganker.
Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2013-02-23 11:43:42 UTC
Reuben Johnson wrote:
where he'll then exposes himself to be a true "Nerf Hisec'r."

Um, I think he's already done that. It's what his CSM platform is about.Roll
Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2013-02-23 11:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Primary Me
Pattrick Henry wrote:
make the move to more profitable Low or Null Sec

It was this line that gave it away, 6/10, well done.
Celestis Kudzu
Elliss
#76 - 2013-02-23 11:48:28 UTC
Pattrick Henry wrote:
My fellow High Sec Industrialists,

When our forefathers found themselves staring at the gates of EVE they had visions of a grand new world. This world would be a place where future generations could work together or independently, to build our own lives and our own futures. We sustain our livelihoods by mining local resources and selling our wares on the local markets. By choosing to exist in this Space, we have thereby accepted the boundaries that CCP and Concord has put into place. They have created sectors in Space that have defined rules of engagement, all of which have been inspired by the needs of Industrialists and Fighters both.

Everyone who comes to EVE starts in High Sec. It is the sector that creates a sense of security, to help each Pilot train skills and prepare for more dangerous sectors. We as new Pilots create alliances with other Pilots by building Corporations and these Corporations grow in High Sec until they are strong enough to make the move to more profitable Low or Null Sec. It is this maturation process that allows us to move forward with the skills needed to survive. Without the time in High Sec to cultivate these necessary skills, a premature move into Low/Null would likely end in catastrophe for the Pilot or Corporation.

These are the proven methods of being a successful Pilot and growing a successful Corporation in EVE.

But now there exists a group that threatens our existence. The New Order cult claims that the High Sec Industrialist is ruining EVE, but we stand up to say they are wrong. The New Order cult, which spurns the entrepreneurial spirit, which vaunts the spirit and conquest, which derives strength and perverted pleasure from persecution, uses with pitiless brutality the threat of murderous force. This cult cannot ever be allowed to gain a stronghold on EVE.

The New Order cult’s effort is about gaining power against the 99%... the hard-working, blue-collar Industrialist who is simply trying to survive, by imposing a random set of self-aggrandizing rules to give this cult some semblance of meaning in EVE. They cannot gain relevance in the low security systems so they come to High Sec to pick on Pilots who have shown no aggression towards them in the least. The claim that the High Sec Industrialist is ruining EVE is preposterous. They claim the Industrialist lobbies CCP for a change in High Sec rules, thus making it harder for Low and Null Sec Pilots. They have not realized that it is exactly the actions the New Order cult that are the genesis of these rule changes. They refuse to accept the order of EVE, so they break them and then cry about the consequences. If they allowed High Sec Industrialists to build up our operations, we would be very willing to move to Low and Null when the time is right. But their constant harassment in High Sec delays that move indefinitely.

The cult hides behind their propaganda by saying there will be no more New Eden if High Sec Industrialists survive, but if that is the case, why offer us a way to survive by paying a 10mil ISK ransom? The New Order claims to accept a ransom in return for non-aggression, but not one person believes there is a magical “list” of miner names that will prevent all attacks in the future. There is a story James 315, the leader of the New Order cult, says in his ramblings online. He speaks of an orca Pilot he is in the process of attacking, and talks of his conversation with the Pilot under fire. He says that he offered survival to the Pilot if he paid a ransom, and when the Pilot paid, he continued the gank and podkilled the capsule. The Pilot had paid the ransom but was still killed by the cult. Why? In James 315’s own words to the orca Pilot, “You’re my enemy. I lied.”

We shall not fall victim to his traps any longer. We shall not be led down the road to being “under the protection” of the New Order cult. In short time, we would be confronted with demands with which we shall no doubt be invited to comply. Those demands would likely mean the surrender of more of our rights for the interest of their cult.

It is for this reason that I am announcing a new alliance. This alliance will stand for the rights of all Industrialists in New Eden, beginning with our High Sec Industrialists. We will band together to protect each other from the terrorism of the New Order cult, and fight for our right to exist in New Eden. We are a collection of miners, manufacturers, traders, and fighters, who all believe that there is room in New Eden for everyone, as long as they follow the rules and accept the consequences of breaking those rules.

We are High Sec Industrialists and we will work together defend our way of life.



Pattrick Henry
High Sec Industrialist


1. u create aliance
2. they join
3. someone wardecs u and kill them
4. they leave and pay

end of story Big smile
Alavaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#77 - 2013-02-23 13:27:29 UTC
Celestis Kudzu wrote:
Pattrick Henry wrote:
My fellow High Sec Industrialists,

When our forefathers found themselves staring at the gates of EVE they had visions of a grand new world. This world would be a place where future generations could work together or independently, to build our own lives and our own futures. We sustain our livelihoods by mining local resources and selling our wares on the local markets. By choosing to exist in this Space, we have thereby accepted the boundaries that CCP and Concord has put into place. They have created sectors in Space that have defined rules of engagement, all of which have been inspired by the needs of Industrialists and Fighters both.

Everyone who comes to EVE starts in High Sec. It is the sector that creates a sense of security, to help each Pilot train skills and prepare for more dangerous sectors. We as new Pilots create alliances with other Pilots by building Corporations and these Corporations grow in High Sec until they are strong enough to make the move to more profitable Low or Null Sec. It is this maturation process that allows us to move forward with the skills needed to survive. Without the time in High Sec to cultivate these necessary skills, a premature move into Low/Null would likely end in catastrophe for the Pilot or Corporation.

These are the proven methods of being a successful Pilot and growing a successful Corporation in EVE.

But now there exists a group that threatens our existence. The New Order cult claims that the High Sec Industrialist is ruining EVE, but we stand up to say they are wrong. The New Order cult, which spurns the entrepreneurial spirit, which vaunts the spirit and conquest, which derives strength and perverted pleasure from persecution, uses with pitiless brutality the threat of murderous force. This cult cannot ever be allowed to gain a stronghold on EVE.

The New Order cult’s effort is about gaining power against the 99%... the hard-working, blue-collar Industrialist who is simply trying to survive, by imposing a random set of self-aggrandizing rules to give this cult some semblance of meaning in EVE. They cannot gain relevance in the low security systems so they come to High Sec to pick on Pilots who have shown no aggression towards them in the least. The claim that the High Sec Industrialist is ruining EVE is preposterous. They claim the Industrialist lobbies CCP for a change in High Sec rules, thus making it harder for Low and Null Sec Pilots. They have not realized that it is exactly the actions the New Order cult that are the genesis of these rule changes. They refuse to accept the order of EVE, so they break them and then cry about the consequences. If they allowed High Sec Industrialists to build up our operations, we would be very willing to move to Low and Null when the time is right. But their constant harassment in High Sec delays that move indefinitely.

The cult hides behind their propaganda by saying there will be no more New Eden if High Sec Industrialists survive, but if that is the case, why offer us a way to survive by paying a 10mil ISK ransom? The New Order claims to accept a ransom in return for non-aggression, but not one person believes there is a magical “list” of miner names that will prevent all attacks in the future. There is a story James 315, the leader of the New Order cult, says in his ramblings online. He speaks of an orca Pilot he is in the process of attacking, and talks of his conversation with the Pilot under fire. He says that he offered survival to the Pilot if he paid a ransom, and when the Pilot paid, he continued the gank and podkilled the capsule. The Pilot had paid the ransom but was still killed by the cult. Why? In James 315’s own words to the orca Pilot, “You’re my enemy. I lied.”

We shall not fall victim to his traps any longer. We shall not be led down the road to being “under the protection” of the New Order cult. In short time, we would be confronted with demands with which we shall no doubt be invited to comply. Those demands would likely mean the surrender of more of our rights for the interest of their cult.

It is for this reason that I am announcing a new alliance. This alliance will stand for the rights of all Industrialists in New Eden, beginning with our High Sec Industrialists. We will band together to protect each other from the terrorism of the New Order cult, and fight for our right to exist in New Eden. We are a collection of miners, manufacturers, traders, and fighters, who all believe that there is room in New Eden for everyone, as long as they follow the rules and accept the consequences of breaking those rules.

We are High Sec Industrialists and we will work together defend our way of life.



Pattrick Henry
High Sec Industrialist


1. u create aliance
2. they join
3. someone wardecs u and kill them
4. they leave and pay

end of story Big smile

Heh, I like the way you have thought about people engaging with the highsec "pvp" mechanic.

Loyalty is a virtue, participation brings reward.

Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2013-02-23 13:54:03 UTC
Ladies and Gentlemen, there is but one way, only one way to fight James 315 and his mad designs for power in High sec - but lo, many will not like it.
For so long as no one contests James 315s claim to high sec, his claim seems to have legitimacy. For as long as miners will pay him and his agents, he has motive.

I ask all to take up the cause and contest James 315, contest his claim, strike at his source of income.

How, you ask?
Simple, copy his methods.

I propose the creation of the People's Order, it shall have a contesting claim to high sec. It should use the same methods to deny miners access to the ores of its claimed space. Those who submit to James 315 and his new order shall be considered as giving material aid to the enemy, and shall be targeted for disruption or destruction. Indulgences may be sold, but they shall not come cheaply, they shall be priced at 50 million ISK.

Go now, go forth and bump miners. Tell them of the cause of the People's Order and its war against James 315 and his New order. Ask them to join the war or contribute 50 million towards the war effort. Those who protest and say they have already bought mining rights from James 315 or his agents must be eliminated by force.


- non fluff tl:dr -
The tards should not pay James 315 to mine. If the tards actually do this, there is nothing to prevent a different group from doing the exact same thing. it takes little resources and no risk to miner bump, everyone can do it. If retards actually pay certain people not to do it, the the rest of us should jump on the bandwagon to show the stupidity of the idea.

Bumping is a bad mechanic, and repeatedly bumping someone that isn't in fleet should generate a suspect flag - but this would be very difficult to implement without opening up the possibility for massive abuse.
So, for now, the best that can be done is to decrease his profit incentive -DONT PAY THE RANSOM!
Of course, he may be engaging in market manipulation of ore prices, and he may make money even if you don't pay him.
However, I gaurantee that paying the Ransom is not a good thing in the long run
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#79 - 2013-02-23 13:55:41 UTC
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
High sec no is safe. High sec is much dangerous.

I don't see much bumpers, just gankers. Not even in the systems proclaimed to be their primary targets. Gank away, I say. If the guy you ganked doesn't move for more than 10 minutes, I think I'll donate to that ganker.

But they have to move, becausewe pod them too. Can't you just donate anyway?
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#80 - 2013-02-23 14:13:03 UTC
Pattrick Henry wrote:
My fellow High Sec Industrialists,

We are High Sec Industrialists and we will work together defend our way of life.



Pattrick Henry
High Sec Industrialist


Lol, no you won't. That's why you're in highsec.