EVE General Discussion

You first. You can't even accept something that is happening in real life right in front of you. Can't argue with someone who can't even accept reality. Go ahead and look it up for yourself. Its happening right now whether you want to accept it or not no matter how much you want to stomp your feet like a child.

Explain how a noob is setting the price on T2 goods.

You're the one that made the statement, and your the one that can't come up with a reasonable response to actual fact.

Edit: I want to clarify something.

An industrialist is not someone that builds a few T1 items.

It really isn't much different in EVE. All the base concepts are the same, just there are a few factors that don't affect EVE because they don't exist in it. The big difference isn't that the problems can't happen, just right now in EVE its set up to encourage balance for the most part. Inflation however is a factor that pushes it more in the direction you describe.

That's the effect of the superindustrialist. Because they have no hindrances or diseconomies of scale, they can make profit on absolutely razor thin margins by mass-sourcing and mass-producing. When some random scrub tries to build a few cruisers, on the other hand, his even slightest deviation from utterly perfected megaindustrial practices means he is building at a loss.

Again, the only people who are negatively affected by reducing hisec capacity are those who have pushed the limits to absolute absurdity through perfect safety and multi-accounting.

Here is an example of what Mynnna did with BC tiericide (from MD Forum). He produced BC at the old pre-tiericide cost and sold them at the new cost. He did the same thing for cruiser tiericide and mining barge tiericide, and I imagine he will do the same thing for BS tiericide. Many others did the same thing, making huge quantities of low price ships sold after the patch at a higher price. Making money off of changes to the game is how bigger players make fortunes. Simply producing run of the mill stuff is a grind.

A NEW player isn't building T2 goods.

High sec can build all the T1 items they want, as an industrialist, I don't care about high sec T1 manufacturing.

We do not import a massive amount of T1 items to null sec.
The problem isn't T1 production.

T2 is not the same as T1, just like capital ship construction is not the same as T1 ship construction.

No one with an issue with building in null sec is worried about T1 production.

New players will always be able to afford T1 goods, because every player can build T1 items. PRICING is a none issue, because T2 goods are not required to make enough isk to afford T2 items.

You have no ******* idea what you're talking about.

The quantity that you produce, whether it's 1 or 100, has no bearin gon your ability to get market value for that item. Shut up already.

You only need to train a single skill to build as much as I can, and no skill is required to run off a full run of a single BPO.

You keep aspousing a bunch of made up bullshit. Knock it off.

Edit: and don't give me the "new players can't afford the materials" bullshit either. Either you mine it yourself, exactly like I did, or you buy a ******* plex and sell it like thousands of others do.

New players have absolutely NO BEARING in this discussion, because what people want won't effect them.

I've already explained how it works. Not complicated.

Building more has NO EFFECT on the price of any given item.

I only run 10 lines on a single character, because the 11th is simply absurd to train. Advanced mass production does not reduce the cost of the goods you're producing.

If you build one it cost you just as much as if you built 100. The amount you can build has no bearing on anything.

New players only need T1 items. T1 items are not a concern. Those prices are always going to be sold at basically production cost.

I do not make my money by selling massive amounts of stuff, this is not high sec, it's null. I require higher margins to make isk building and selling in null.

I manage over 200 market orders of primarilly things I build, all in null sec.
The "nerfs" most people want won't actually fix the "problem".

T2 production in high sec NEEDS TO BE LIMITTED. There's NO FAIR COMPETITION, it's entirely slanted to a single area of the game.



The amount of T2 goods coming out of high sec needs to be reduced, and more emphasis on building T2 items nees to be placed in high sec PoS's, low sec, and null sec.

You should not be able to sit in an an undeccable corp, in a station that you can't lose access to, in an area of the game were there is no clear indication of where the goods are beeing made, with the highest level of safety, most available slots, and lowest overal production costs.

EVE is supposed to reward you for joinging player corporations, it's supposed to reward you for putting in more effort and assuming more risk.

Industry is the one area that does not adhere to CCP's own rules.


Stop with the "super industrialist" nonsense.
You're either an industrialist or your not.

You don't call a guy in a tengu a super PvEer do you?


PS: I'm trying to ask you to please stop arguing with the tard about superindustrialists. It's absurd, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

My previous post came across rather harsh, I apologize. I'm sick of seeing peoeple make comments abou this area of the game, that they clearly are not participating in and only give a **** because "high sec" is involved.

Except that moons are in low and especially null, as are the reaction farms which are highly profitable if you do the right reactions. Goons in particular have tech moons which pays for ship replacement and sov bills. Hi-sec corps don't have that advantage. Its not entirely slanted one way. Its a balance.