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We have to pay through Nexon from next April. Question from a "Japan based player"

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madd0g11
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-10-27 11:27:56 UTC
Right now the Japanese chatter on Eve 2ch and twitter is all about this.

If you go to Eve Account Management you can view your activity. It's IP based and probably what they will use to move us to Nexon. I figure though if you pay by CC with a US address it might be possible to get around it. But if not when you go up to renew it will force you to the new system.

The gist of the anger in the community is that CCP said if you live in Japan you will have to pay via nexon. If CCP comes out and say the price per month would be 1200-1500 JPY it would do a lot to calm things down. That's around the equivalent of the current rate or a little more. Understandable with the cost of localization and support. Players in Japan, regardless of nationality are worried that CCP/Nexon might charge 2000+ per month to play.

There is actually a solid core of Japanese players. At the recent Tokyo event it was about 95% Japanese Eve players and 5% foreigners in Japan. There are not many of us, we do think the nexon deal and the localized client are good for Eve and good for Japan but we don't want to take it in the ass with price. In the other thread I proposed to grandfather old accounts to the old payment system, with the option to move to the nexon system. Forcing bitter vets is a **** move, and I know CCP and Nexon have to make their pay but it's the old players you want to bring in the new players. They said it themselves at the conference.
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-10-27 11:34:01 UTC
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
If any Japanese could actually come out of their caves and buy GTC or PLEX from 3rd Party "English" websites, EVE would have been already flooded with Japanese.

Shattered Crystal for one, called me in Japan by their English phone call verifying my country of residence.

Ciar Meara wrote:
Aye, I have bought gametime through shattered crystal before, they do do a check on where you live though, through the phone no less. It was a little weird explaining to an American what my nearest hospital, highway and train station was (Belgium).


I've never bought time codes since it's cheaper just subscribing but this is very interesting...So I understand there are possibilities that we might not be able to buy time codes in Japan ? It appears things are getting worse lol.
Myxx
The Scope
#23 - 2011-10-27 11:38:08 UTC
Is it possible many japaneese don't know about it? If you can, just buy from shattered crystal or something.
madd0g11
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2011-10-27 11:41:59 UTC
Texty wrote:
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
If any Japanese could actually come out of their caves and buy GTC or PLEX from 3rd Party "English" websites, EVE would have been already flooded with Japanese.

Shattered Crystal for one, called me in Japan by their English phone call verifying my country of residence.

Ciar Meara wrote:
Aye, I have bought gametime through shattered crystal before, they do do a check on where you live though, through the phone no less. It was a little weird explaining to an American what my nearest hospital, highway and train station was (Belgium).


I've never bought time codes since it's cheaper just subscribing but this is very interesting...So I understand there are possibilities that we might not be able to buy time codes in Japan ? It appears things are getting worse lol.



Shattered crystal calls and verifies things because of fraud. I've been using them for years after the initial check-up with no issue. CCP can't stop Japanese players from using PLEX or GTC, they can **** with month to month and subscriptions though.

CCP would also be stupid to block GTC purchases from Japan and would **** off the entire community. Because then the possibility it could happen to your country is now viable.
Htrag
The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
#25 - 2011-10-27 11:48:03 UTC
Why should anyone have to pay through third party "points" or timecodes and not be able to use normal currency?

This just doesn't smell right. I hope CCP isn't doing another counter productive greedy dumb dumb move.

Whatever "dev" it was that removed the pod squish sound probably never even logged into the game.
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#26 - 2011-10-27 11:50:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Palovana
Garia666
CyberShield Inc
HYDRA RELOADED
#27 - 2011-10-27 12:02:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Garia666
Texty wrote:
NOTE : This post has nothing to do with the majority of EVE players.

Thanks CCP for the rather disappointing Email (scroll down for English text). It has finally been revealed that we "Japan based players (anyone living in Japan)" are forced to pay through Nexon using Nexon points. Any other paying methods will be denied from next April. So, how much is it going to be ? The Email says nothing about the actual price and it worries me a lot. .



You must know by now that CCP thinks Japanese ppl are a lesser spiesies.
And that they have no need for freedom of choise.
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-10-27 12:02:47 UTC
madd0g11 wrote:
CCP would also be stupid to block GTC purchases from Japan and would **** off the entire community. Because then the possibility it could happen to your country is now viable.

Well that was exactly what came up to my mind when I heard there are confirmation processes when you buy time codes lol.

Palovana wrote:
¥3000 is almost $40 (75.82 yen per USD when I checked Google).

CCP must be a fscking millipede with as many feet as they've shot off.

It's just one ******** move after another.

Please don't take the Y3,000 thing too seriously since it's just a guess :)
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-10-27 12:26:48 UTC
I used to pay with PayByCash, which charged some stupidly large fee over the top per direct debit transaction, it sucked.

Looks like there will be workarounds, but it shouldn't be necessary to use workarounds.

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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#30 - 2011-10-27 12:34:22 UTC
What I can see as potentially happening is that the Japanese client will only be available through NEXON, however it is hard to see how they would go about forcing everyone in Japan to pay through NEXON...

E.g. how about foreigners on visits to Japan, that's gonna be a mess for customer support to handle.

Nyan
Tommy Laughingface
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-10-27 12:35:43 UTC
As some of you might not understand my point about GTC.
Whether or not Shattered Crystal accepts payment from Japan is not the issue.
The issue is "Japanese people cannot answer a single English phone call even if it was a simple 'hai, ha waa yuu' and 'where do u live' call" .
It is just.... simply "impossible" to let them understand and answer.
Tommy Laughingface
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2011-10-27 12:39:40 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
What I can see as potentially happening is that the Japanese client will only be available through NEXON, however it is hard to see how they would go about forcing everyone in Japan to pay through NEXON...

E.g. how about foreigners on visits to Japan, that's gonna be a mess for customer support to handle.


It is confirmed that CCP will force everyone in Japan regardless of their nationality to go through NEXON.
Travellers don't count as residents.
madd0g11
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-10-27 12:45:31 UTC
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
As some of you might not understand my point about GTC.
Whether or not Shattered Crystal accepts payment from Japan is not the issue.
The issue is "Japanese people cannot answer a single English phone call even if it was a simple 'hai, ha waa yuu' and 'where do u live' call" .
It is just.... simply "impossible" to let them understand and answer.



Yeah because NO Japanese person can speak English ever.
Tommy Laughingface
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2011-10-27 12:53:40 UTC
madd0g11 wrote:
Yeah because NO Japanese person can speak English ever.


Yeah, no joke....
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2011-10-27 12:58:15 UTC
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
As some of you might not understand my point about GTC.
Whether or not Shattered Crystal accepts payment from Japan is not the issue.
The issue is "Japanese people cannot answer a single English phone call even if it was a simple 'hai, ha waa yuu' and 'where do u live' call" .
It is just.... simply "impossible" to let them understand and answer.


IMO - it kind of sucks having to jump through hoops. An auto-billing solution is usually much nicer than remembering to order up GTC's every few months but...

Honestly, until the pricing info is released it sounds to be a bit overly worried on the topic. If it's an issue of truest with their Japanese vendor, then a workaround should be doable - with sufficient interest from the community out there.

Again, if there is enough interest - this sounds like a business opportunity for some group such as shattered crystal or battleclinic.

They could setup a forwarding verification to be handled from Japan via a contract agency there. A computer in the US/EU forwards the validation info/request to a computer in Japan which calls, gets the validation and returns valid/invalid to the US/EU system for processing - which then sends the GTC via e-mail to the purchaser. Just a small app rental gig in Japan for the vendor... It shouldn't cost much per transaction.

No "international call" - no "foreign language barriers", just a call from an island based automated system that validates the payment info.

As such - perhaps proposing this to the community to get an interest metric, then contact one of the US vendors of GTC's and propose the idea to them.

Just thinking out loud - it doesn't have to be all bad if a work-around is possible which may be of interest to an English based website.
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2011-10-27 13:01:47 UTC
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
As some of you might not understand my point about GTC.
Whether or not Shattered Crystal accepts payment from Japan is not the issue.
The issue is "Japanese people cannot answer a single English phone call even if it was a simple 'hai, ha waa yuu' and 'where do u live' call" .
It is just.... simply "impossible" to let them understand and answer.

I do understand your point of Japanese lacking English communication skills which might makes it hard or almost impossible for them to buy time codes if you actually have to talk in English upon purchase. But since it seems to be the only way for people who doesn't want to get involved with Nexon to keep on playing, your information about the fact of receiving phone calls from shattered crystal for confirmation it self seemed to be much more of an issue to me :)
Htrag
The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
#37 - 2011-10-27 13:07:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Htrag
I dont think either of you are understanding the issue.

There should be NO WORKAROUND REQUIRED involving a 3rd party.

You should be able to pay for Eve the same way you pay for everything else.

And CCP is foolish to decentralize their billing information.

Whatever "dev" it was that removed the pod squish sound probably never even logged into the game.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#38 - 2011-10-27 13:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
madd0g11 wrote:
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
As some of you might not understand my point about GTC.
Whether or not Shattered Crystal accepts payment from Japan is not the issue.
The issue is "Japanese people cannot answer a single English phone call even if it was a simple 'hai, ha waa yuu' and 'where do u live' call" .
It is just.... simply "impossible" to let them understand and answer.



Yeah because NO Japanese person can speak English ever.


馬鹿である

Mr Epeen Cool
Tommy Laughingface
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2011-10-27 13:14:04 UTC
Texty wrote:
I do understand your point of Japanese lacking English communication skills which might makes it hard or almost impossible for them to buy time codes if you actually have to talk in English upon purchase. But since it seems to be the only way for people who doesn't want to get involved with Nexon to keep on playing, your information about the fact of receiving phone calls from shattered crystal for confirmation it self seemed to be much more of an issue to me :)


Either way, if you were to get such call, no Japanese would ever consider buying GTC through Shattered Crystals.
At least I heard Battleclinic is not asking for such confirmation.

Also, I agree that as someone else said that there should be no workaround required.
Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2011-10-27 13:25:55 UTC
Sounds like this is only if you want to pay in Yen, if your card automatiaclly converts payments to £ or $s then you should be fine as far as I can see.

It says that the nexcom id will be used 'exculsively for billing and support' not that billing and support will be exculsively through Nexon.

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