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Rasmier
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-02-20 21:02:07 UTC
All T3 ships, can we get a basic drone bay that can fit at leatse 5 salvage drones on all weapon subsystems?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-02-20 21:12:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
if they somehow limited them to salvage drones only then yeah

otherwise adding another 100 dps to tech 3s with weapon subs would just be dumb

Art of Explosions
Tsai Ashitaka
Caidin Global Academy
#3 - 2013-02-20 21:18:29 UTC
Rasmier wrote:
All T3 ships, can we get a basic drone bay that can fit at leatse 5 salvage drones on all weapon subsystems?


Change your subsystems around until you get a drone bay. T3s already have a ridiculous amount of bonuses compared to their training time.

All t3s can fit drones if you fiddle with the subs.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-20 21:20:55 UTC
Add 25 bandwidth to all T3 subs they said, people will only use it for salvage they said...
yeah, right.

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Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#5 - 2013-02-20 21:25:45 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Add 25 bandwidth to all T3 subs they said, people will only use it for salvage they said...
yeah, right.

This basically, I know I wouldn't Big smile

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Rasmier
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-02-20 21:59:45 UTC
actually, mainly legion and tengu....proteus and loki can already fit salvage drones with a VIABLE dps fit
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#7 - 2013-02-21 00:56:00 UTC
The T3 balance is coming "soon(tm)" I imagine that there will be some messing around with drone bays involved in that.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-02-21 01:01:40 UTC
Paikis wrote:
The T3 balance is coming "soon(tm)" I imagine that there will be some messing around with drone bays involved in that.


By "balancing," are they gonna nerf the handful of subs that are actually useful, while the majority remains jokes?Lol
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#9 - 2013-02-21 01:06:56 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Paikis wrote:
The T3 balance is coming "soon(tm)" I imagine that there will be some messing around with drone bays involved in that.


By "balancing," are they gonna nerf the handful of subs that are actually useful, while the majority remains jokes?Lol


One second while I check my crystal ball...

Signs point to maybe.

I have no idea how they can balance T3s in such a way that they are still wanted for use, but aren't super powerful. I don't even know if it can be done, which sucks, because I can fly all 4 of them.
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#10 - 2013-02-21 23:44:53 UTC
I want a super expensive ship to be made better so that I can use it for salvaging!!




Said no one, ever.
Rasmier
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-02-22 02:44:29 UTC
chris elliot wrote:
I want a super expensive ship to be made better so that I can use it for salvaging!!




Said no one, ever.


negative, i want to be able to salvage my kills in dangerous space that i would never take a noctis in, with my legion or tengu much like a protius or loki can. These days it's all about "balance" right? I'm only asking that the other two races be able to have the same advantages as the others rather than be forced to train into a ship that i do not wish to fly.
Orlacc
#12 - 2013-02-22 02:48:37 UTC
Makes no sense. You want all ships to be alike? Yet you don't want to fly some ships?

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chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#13 - 2013-02-22 09:37:38 UTC
Rasmier wrote:
chris elliot wrote:
I want a super expensive ship to be made better so that I can use it for salvaging!!




Said no one, ever.


negative, i want to be able to salvage my kills in dangerous space that i would never take a noctis in, with my legion or tengu much like a protius or loki can. These days it's all about "balance" right? I'm only asking that the other two races be able to have the same advantages as the others rather than be forced to train into a ship that i do not wish to fly.


Incorrect, it is about everything having a proper place and having a proper place for everything. If we follow your logic for example, a brutix would have to have a drone damage bonus, drone bandwidth bonus, armor rep bonus, shield rep bonus, hybrid damage bonus, falloff bonus, resist bonus, projectile bonus, cap usage bonus, rate of fire bonus, and a missile damage bonus, it would also have equal numbers of gun and missile slots. SInce all the other races have these bonus's the brutix should too since you are lazy and do not want to train other things to obtain access to their abilities. Your logic is fail in this regard. Some ships are meant to be better at specific things than others. This is good for the game, it is called "variety".
Rex Aparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-02-22 12:38:39 UTC
Rasmier wrote:
chris elliot wrote:
I want a super expensive ship to be made better so that I can use it for salvaging!!




Said no one, ever.


negative, i want to be able to salvage my kills in dangerous space that i would never take a noctis in, with my legion or tengu much like a protius or loki can. These days it's all about "balance" right? I'm only asking that the other two races be able to have the same advantages as the others rather than be forced to train into a ship that i do not wish to fly.



I agree. I also want mine to have a fully fitted pos in its cargohold that can be deployed and onlined in 10 seconds. On top of that, it should have a wireless connection to Jita so I can instantly sell all my newly acquired goods. You know, in the spirit "balance".
Flandre Scarlette
Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#15 - 2013-02-22 13:14:30 UTC
Rex Aparte wrote:
Rasmier wrote:
chris elliot wrote:
I want a super expensive ship to be made better so that I can use it for salvaging!!




Said no one, ever.


negative, i want to be able to salvage my kills in dangerous space that i would never take a noctis in, with my legion or tengu much like a protius or loki can. These days it's all about "balance" right? I'm only asking that the other two races be able to have the same advantages as the others rather than be forced to train into a ship that i do not wish to fly.



I agree. I also want mine to have a fully fitted pos in its cargohold that can be deployed and onlined in 10 seconds. On top of that, it should have a wireless connection to Jita so I can instantly sell all my newly acquired goods. You know, in the spirit "balance".



Confirming that Rex is a complete and total carebear, and actually wants this.

While we're at it, I want a new type of container that is small enough to fit into my cargohold, and allows the swapping of subsystems instantaneously. Oh, and obviously it should include space to carry all of my "gently used" blue loot with salvage drones, spare ammo, cloaks, and possibly a spare scanning frigate. Because t3's can't do all of this already. Roll
Hulasikaly Wada
DO.IT
Triumvirate.
#16 - 2013-02-22 13:14:44 UTC
Rasmier wrote:
All T3 ships, can we get a basic drone bay that can fit at leatse 5 salvage drones on all weapon subsystems?


Add 5Mbit/m3 to every offensive sub so you can use 1 salvager drone =)

Hula
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-02-22 13:37:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Paikis wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Paikis wrote:
The T3 balance is coming "soon(tm)" I imagine that there will be some messing around with drone bays involved in that.


By "balancing," are they gonna nerf the handful of subs that are actually useful, while the majority remains jokes?Lol


One second while I check my crystal ball...

Signs point to maybe.

I have no idea how they can balance T3s in such a way that they are still wanted for use, but aren't super powerful. I don't even know if it can be done, which sucks, because I can fly all 4 of them.




They are not super powerful already.
T3's myth was created because some guys found out they could use some specific mechanics and get cumulative bonus increasing exponentially all ships performances and some get even ridiculous, most people don't understand what it is or how much this boosting increases whatever ship basic statistics, all they can say it's "fkin OP Tengu"... Roll

-DED space mods -trying to increase your already expensive hull performances is somehow give it better changes of survival and wining fights, protect your investment with some extra isk is a viable choice

-take some drugs to increase your expensive ship and fit performances is somehow give it better chances of survival and wining fights, this isk investment is the little plus that might make the difference

-get a full trained command ships alt kissing the pos with over 1 billion fittings and another in implants to increase your already expensive gankmobile ****&fit is somehow give it a better chance of survival and wining fights. Again invest some isk to protect your already expensive ship is a valid choice.

-get a High Grade set+named implants for the T3 "OP" pilot is also a good investment to protect your already expensive hull+fit and get some kills, there's nothing wrong with this.

What do you get in the end?

A beast, and nothing who made it came from the hull it self but the "out of whack" modules (some), implants in two different toons but having direct impact on the T3 combat hull, and add the stupidity of a perfectly invulnerable alt in a multibillion fit ship+implants giving 5 full T2 links to get the perfect "I win" tool.
Now if some people can't do the math or use EFT to figure out how stupid OGB is they're lost, there's nothing it can be done to save their souls.

It's not difficult to figure out why so many cry and moan on forums when someone says OGB needs to go away, when someone says implants need rework or when someone says T3's are fine and could actually use of some love.

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#18 - 2013-02-22 20:07:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Paikis
Please, tell me more about these other cruisers that can fit battleship level tanks and damage.

EDIT: Also everything on your list can be applied to every other ship in the game... and the T3 would still be far better.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-02-22 20:14:19 UTC
I am not sure how up to date this is, but you can use it to configure your t3: http://www.ellatha.com/eve/T3.asp

I looked at legion and loki. Legion has one subsystem that puts 200 m3 drone bay, I think. Loki has two subsystems, 80 m3 and 50 m3 drone bays.

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chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#20 - 2013-02-22 21:13:55 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Please, tell me more about these other cruisers that can fit battleship level tanks and damage.

EDIT: Also everything on your list can be applied to every other ship in the game... and the T3 would still be far better.


Given the power creep introduced with the frigates, cruisers and battlecruisers so far I would venture a guess that t3's won't be very far out of line by the time they actually get to them. You can already get vexors and prophecies cranking out proteus levels of dps with the latter having about the same tank for about 1/5 the cost. Of course with Ytterbium having a weird hateon for them they will probably be nerfed into the dust anyway. Regardless of how much he and fozzie buff the ships around them.
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