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Bad past? Here's how to deal with it.

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#41 - 2013-02-21 16:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Dante Uisen wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are.


Pretending not to be who you are, would that not imply pretending to be someone you're not?

No, because the difference is pretending to be someone else (as in if I were to pretend to be Chribba or The Mittani or someone else who plays eve) can cause damage to their reputation, while pretending to be some alter ego person who doesn't actually exist doesn't have the potential to unfairly hurt anyone.


I know that's what the rule was probably created for, but the literal word "else" simpley means "other than". So if you pretending to be someone else, your just pretending to be someone who isn't you and that's all. It wouldn't mean to pretend to be anyone specific. I know it's just semantics and arguably a pointless discussion given the likely intention of the rule... but what really counts is whether CCP make this distinction.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-02-21 16:23:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
March rabbit wrote:
That's why europeans can freely travel over whole Europe and i need to get visa for the same purpose.


Same can be said from an European when he travels in other countries than EU, you don't need VIsa to go from Florida to Washington, we don't need that one neither to travel in European partner Countries (see it like sort of European united states)

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#43 - 2013-02-21 18:20:46 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
I know that's what the rule was probably created for, but the literal word "else" simpley means "other than". So if you pretending to be someone else, your just pretending to be someone who isn't you and that's all. It wouldn't mean to pretend to be anyone specific. I know it's just semantics and arguably a pointless discussion given the likely intention of the rule... but what really counts is whether CCP make this distinction.


If you are going to make an argument that hinges on the specific wording of a rule, you kind of have to produce a copy of the rule you're talking about.

Have you found it yet?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-02-21 19:58:50 UTC
Only in GD can a thread like this turn into a place for people to cry about Goons.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-02-21 20:40:23 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Only in GD can a thread like this turn into a place for people to cry about Goons.


It happens in a lot of forums... though in a lot of other games, it ends up being about a guild called Ruinous. The guilt by association thing is pretty childish, but I suppose in EVE there is at least some cause to be defensive due to how easy scamming and theft is. Anyways, on to the OP's idea... not against the rules, but seems pretty strongly against the spirit of the rules. Or it could be called a scam in itself, which IS explicitly forbidden. I know there's a word for this particular kind of thing in real life, I just can't remember it for the life of me.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#46 - 2013-02-21 20:45:30 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Only in GD can a thread like this turn into a place for people to cry about Goons.


Ill just leave this here

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#47 - 2013-02-21 20:51:21 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Pewty McPew wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?

Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.
With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.

Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person.
They'll never know the difference. ;)



Doesn't matter how many times you buy/sell a character. If someone is dumb enough to say, accept a former Goon then they get what they deserve.

I look at corp history, regardless of who owns the character. if it has a questionable past then DENIED!

Please explain. What, exactly, do you get if you let a former goon in your corp?

I've never ganked anyone. I've never scammed anyone. I've never actually done anything to anyone. I build ****.

I've got a better reputation and history then asshats like you who have a hard on for people like me, just because I'm in goonwaffe.

That and I have alts that are clean, you no nothing about, and could be in your corp right now; just waiting.


You are what's known in statistical analysis as an outlier.

You would be tossed from any rational mind as an anomaly and be judged by the fact that you are a goon. It's the price you, as an individual, pay for joining them. As wonderful a person as you may be, you are tainted with the goon stink and it will never go away.

I'm not saying it's fair, I'm just saying it's the way it is.

Mr Epeen Cool
The CandyGirl
Candy's Toy Shop
#48 - 2013-02-21 22:50:38 UTC
For those that don't know or don't understand the eula.
It is talking about impersonating someone else. Ie making people think you are someone else to ruin their reputation etc.

Hiding who you really are is different

Being a smartass is always better than being a dumbass!
The CandyGirl
Candy's Toy Shop
#49 - 2013-02-21 22:51:09 UTC  |  Edited by: The CandyGirl
Double post

Being a smartass is always better than being a dumbass!
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-02-21 22:57:45 UTC
The CandyGirl wrote:
For those that don't know or don't understand the eula.
It is talking about impersonating someone else. Ie making people think you are someone else to ruin their reputation etc.

Hiding who you really are is different


Yeah, there is a difference. Still, its still being a shill (found the word I was thinking). Which can very much count as a scam, especially since its hard to tell the difference between someone driving an auction up higher artificially or going through with this idea.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#51 - 2013-02-21 23:44:45 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Still would not take the guy. Who buys a character with a terrible corp history??

Biomass!

You might be surprised.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
dark heartt
#52 - 2013-02-22 03:44:59 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:

former Goon


Please tell me more about how a former goon is a bad person. I have no ties to the swarm, but dammit they like to have fun and they play eve the way they want to play, and thats how a sandbox should be played. I've found that a good portion of the people who don't like Goons either got scammed by them in a completely obvious way, or they have heard that they shouldn't like them without making their own minds up.

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-02-22 04:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Wescro
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Bad past? Here's how to deal with it.



Read that as "bad post." Gladly I don't need help with that.

http://crossingzebras.com/2013/02/17/csm8ripardteg/
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-02-22 15:17:41 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:


What do I get if I let in a Goon, I'll tell ya, I get screwed.

Of course we will, that's what you do with a little *****, screw them.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#55 - 2013-02-22 16:31:11 UTC
Bob Nesta Marley wrote:
Ey wot ya know, brudda? No rude boy be scopin dis ting, seen? Respect

Ok, now in English...

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ISD Flidais Asagiri
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#56 - 2013-02-22 16:32:05 UTC
Thread is being locked because it has digressed into irrelevancies and personal attacks. Keep it civil in the future and steer clear of trolls.

ISD Flidais Asagiri Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
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