Jita Park Speakers Corner

I'd just like to re-emphasise this. Even if you don't particularly agree with Trebor's ideas, he will be immensely valuable because he has the experience and background knowledge that CSM8 will require to function with its full potential.

Under STV, you don't need to choose. Vote for all the WH candidates you like (in the order you like them), then other candidates like me who you'd like to see on the CSM.

Come up with a list of 14 good candidates and tell your friends...

I interviewed Trebor as part of the Crossing Zebras CSM8 Election Interviews. Listen to what he had to say here:

http://c-z.me/csm8trebor

from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2013/02/trebors-feather.html

Some people, such as Ripard Teg, discuss the importance of their being continuity between CSMs. This equates to representatives from a previous CSM being re-elected to the next CSM.

The only significant member of CSM7 that has decided to run for CSM8 is Trebor Daehdoow.

I ask, is this continuity really necessary? And if continuity is necessary, is Trebor the person to carry that torch? I've listened to the interview he just conducted with the estimable Xander Phoena, and I'd have to say no.

Let's talk about the continuity issue. It is well-known that there is a Skype channel for alumni CSM members. This channel exists for the exact reason to supply continuity between CSMs. If CSM8 wants information on, let's say, the stakeholder process, and where CSM7 left the process, they can simply query CSM7 members via this Skype channel. Which exists expressly for this purpose. There's no reason at all for Trebor to run on a continuity platform, because the mechanism to supply this continuity already exists. His platform is disingenuous. He suggests that if he isn't elected then continuity is lost. Which is a whole lot of bullshit.

His main reason for running? He feels that he's the only one that can further the stakeholder process. I'm pretty sure there will be capable enough people, elected for the first time, who can further that process without Trebor's assistance. He also would like the chairman's seat, because only he in the chairman's seat can ensure a smooth transition between CSM7 and CSM8. (Ignore that it's a position he's always coveted.)

He's also the dude who believes that if you vote for a candidate and that candidate is not elected, then that's a wasted vote. His ideas on voting reform are strange and indecipherable. His first suggestion was to disenfranchise large voting blocs such as Test Alliance and Goonswarm Federation. For some reason he feels that candidates who get hardly any votes, because they aren't desirable enough to attract votes, that they should somehow be given a better shot of making it onto the CSM. Strange, to say the least. He also states in his Xander interview that he has no regrets putting forth his anti-bloc voting reforms.

He's the guy who suggests that the wardec system should be consensual only. He suggests (with a knowing giggle) that CCP has run the numbers and supports his position. He feels there's nothing wrong with a much safer highsec if it retains more players, because that means more money, which means more development into other areas of the game, even if that means destroying one of the core concepts of EVE Online -- that one is never safe. He seems to support an ever-safe concept for highsec, simply because it would mean higher highsec player retention.

This guy is a slippery eel. These are positions he's never stood for in the past. He leaned this way somewhat during his CSM7 campaign, not all in his CSM5 and CSM6 campaigns. Yet, as it's become more difficult for him to find votes, he's shifted his views more towards that area of the electorate (the super carebears) who can get him elected. Granted, he's not backtracking once elected and not supporting their viewpoint, some credit to him for only being an eel and not a snake.

I hope to hell that Goonswarm and Test Alliance make sure that Trebor is nowhere on the ranked voting roll that they'll be giving to their members pre-election. The only way to decrease this dude's chances of getting onto the CSM, where he can continue with his damaging ideas, is for the blocs to not give him a single vote on the council.

I know I've said it's important to have varied voices on the council. But there's also going to far with that concept. Someone who would have no issue turning highsec into a PvP-free zone has no place on a council upon which he can voice that stupidity.

(And before a million comments come in. James 315 is not the opposite of Trebor. James does not suggest that highsec be turned into lowsec. He simply argues that highsec has become too safe.)

A CLEAN SLATE for CSM8. It rhymes. Does he really deserve a fourth term? Let's give somebody else a turn at the plate. Just say no to Trebor. Let's put the old goat out to pasture.

(And two days before the election, everyone set your CSPA charges to 1M ISK. So that his inevitable mass evemail costs him a bunch of money.)

I just listened to the interview and have to say Poetic, you are off your rocker again. Your terrible rant utterly misrepresents the man and what was said there. I am not sure why, but you've gotten it in your head that Trebor is bad and you are twisting all the facts and statements to try to prove your point. Who is the slippery one?

I urge anyone that is tempted to take your word for it to listen to the interview:
http://crossingzebras.com/post/43687167761/csm8trebor

I don't always agree with Trebor (hell Trebor doesn't always agree with Trebor, since by his own admission he takes positions at times to get people thinking out of the box) and not sure he'd be my first pick for chair. But he's run a business successfully, and has a track record of working well with people of diverse opinions. We could do far worse for that position.

PS - I think I agree with you Poetic, more often than I agree with Trebor's positions, but I think you are just dead wrong on this one.

Yeah, personally I think Poetic only has really one point left, that could still be valid.

The guilt trip one. where we have to feel bad Trebor didn't get elected since we all suck so bad, and the CSM will obviously fail without him there to guide it. I was impressed he would step down from the chair and mostly just take the chair to help and guide the new CSM though.

But I do like voting strings free and don't want to vote out of obligation really. Seems like people are trying to make us feel obligated to vote for him, just so things work out well for them. Kind of hard to enjoy, hopefully its something that gets worked out.

Bullshit. There's an alumni CSM channel for this express purpose. If CSM8 wants to know where CSM7 left off with the stakeholder project, they can ask any of the CSM7 candidates about it on that Skype channel.

Like go to their house, eat dinner with them, go bowling afterwards?

Whether they're on the CSM or an alumni, you'll communicate with them the same way. There's no appreciable difference. One Skype channel is no more concrete than another.

I know all about the alumni channel. Most of the ex-CSM hang around the process as much as they can, because they're addicted to the process. There's little chance you wouldn't find a "retired" CSM who wouldn't want to give his two cents again.

It'll probably get pretty annoying that Hans, Aleks, Seleene, and Two Step won't leave you alone, won't stop giving you all their "helpful advice". So, escaping the alumni channel is the problem, not finding anyone in there to talk too.

Since all you're concerned about is continuity, the only NDA matters that will concern you are the one's that happened before your term started ... which means CSM7 and CSM8 are free to discuss them. Any NDA matters that are CSM8 only, well those aren't continuity issues, thus no need to be discussed with CSM7.