Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why are the only people supporting this idea (in this thread) in NPC corps.

Seriously, grow a pair!

They are afk cloaking themselves in the thread. So that we cannot attack them. We can see them, because of local. But we cannot find them!

Well, they can attack outside of scram range....
And if they warp out, and come back when you still have your drones out, theb could try to pop the drones with a bomb

So don't sit in plainly visible belts alone, or sit in a grav site and watch for probes...

Remove cloakers from local, problem solved. Think about it. Really, carefully think about it. If you still don't see it, use the earch function. It's a flawless idea, really.

Dear OP, stop renting space from others.

Learn how to capture and maintain your own space.

Appeal to CCP to rebalance the game's economy so you don't have to rent space from one of the two dominant blocks, instead.

That is all.

alt-f4. then log back on from where u left. it wont work in the middle of a fight, but at least if ur outside an active engagement ur ship will be safe.



i think ur misunderstanding that cloaking is used to scare null bears into not ratting, therefore disrupting isk flow into enemy alliance coffers. ur right that afk or not is not the issue, but i think ur missing why its done, so i slipped that in there. Think of it as attacking enemy supply lines, considering that enemy supply lines cannot actually be attacked in the current iteration.

I still find it amusing, when they threaten to leave low and null and retreat back to high security space if local is changed.

Seriously?

And, please tell me, why exactly is this something that should bother us??

The current dynamic used by these complainers is to get safe, dock up, or simply log out the moment a potential hostile enters the system.
This means they are not present to be PvP'd.
If they move to high sec, however, they will face war decs involving anonymous alts tagging them, and suicide gankers. Risks they simply do not face currently with this play dynamic.
They also won't be present to be PvP'd in low or null, btw.

Since under both circumstances, there is no PvP in null or low involving them, how are we supposed to tell the difference?

Yesterday I ratted belts with neut in our system. I have to constantly be missing that memo saying I have to dock/log/make whine threads on forums. Seriously, can somebody finally send me that damn memo, please?

I like how the common argument to this is "be prepared", "rat in groups", etc. A few interesting points.

1.) Cloaky camping takes a single person, why should I be forced to form a group because of a single person is AFK cloaked in the system?

2.) You can never be more prepared than a cloaky camper. Sure, you can have a fleet ready. But that cloaky camper can see the fleet that's ready, and counter it perfectly if he has a cyno, therefore there is no way you can actually be prepared. If you have people even 1 jump out, it's plenty of time for a hot drop gang to gank it's target, and gtfo.

3.) The "well if he's afk he can't hurt you" argument. Sure, that's true. And if you're going to use that as an argument, then you should be encouraging CCP to add mechanics to detect whether a player is AFK or not. Otherwise you're defending a broken mechanic simply because it's the only way you know how to get kills.

This is coming from someone who cloaky camps regularly, and is effective at it. All it takes is two pilots (which can easily be run by one person) and I can see everything you might try to counter me with. This means I know when you're trying to bait me. I know what your fleet comp is. I have the advantage, one person, at all times. And I can completely shut your system down, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, because I see you, and you can't see me. You don't know when I'm AFK, therefore it is NEVER safe to rat, mine, haul, or do anything else other than pvp while I'm in your system, being AFK. Stay aligned? Fine, I'll predict where you're going to warp to next and catch you while you're coming out of warp. Use dscan? WIth a bomber I can decloak next to you, and instantly lock you and point you, without you ever seeing me on dscan. With a recon or cloaky t3, I only have to decloak 5-6 seconds before I land on top of you. I'm pretty certain there is no reliable way to defend against this other than staying aligned and paying attention, in which case I'll just wait till you warp to the next belt, site, gate, etc, and catch you as you're coming out of warp.

Cloaky camping is broken, this is coming from someone who does it. Stop defending a broken mechanic simply because you're too much of a coward to take risks.

I personally have not lost any ships to a cloaky camper. This is because I have no reliable way to tell if the camper is AFK or not. Therefore it is never safe for me to rat while there is a neutral cloaked in system. Sure, I could find out his ship type, and rat in something that directly counters said ship. But how do I know he doesn't have a cyno and a fleet sitting on a titan, that I'm unable to counter? I don't. Therefore, it is never safe for me to rat with a cloaky camper in system. Cloaky campers have an effect on the game while not actually playing it or even being remotely near their computer. You argue against botters because they both gain benefit, and have an effect on the game while afk. Yet you promote AFK cloaky campers, when they both gain benefit, and have an effect on the game while afk.

WTS logic.