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Advice about Battleship

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Pistolio
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-02-22 13:44:51 UTC
Good day!

I am returning to Eve after a 10 years break!

Now, i'm on the process of re-learning everything and getting to know the ships I had back then.

Before cancelling my subscription 10 years ago, I bough a Scorpion Battleship. Didnt have time back then to play with it.

Now, I need to figure what to do with it.

I planned to play especially PVE with my brother. Going after NPC pirates, slavaging stuff and so on.

Is this Battleship is adequate for this? If yes, any suggestion about the loadout I should try?

If no, what Battleship, in the same price braquet I should get?

Thanks a lot :)
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#2 - 2013-02-22 14:10:43 UTC
The Scorpion is an electronic warfare ship, it's one of the few battleships not at all suitable for PvE.

I suggest re-learning the ropes on a smaller ship class - rookie mistakes are expensive in a battleship, and battleships are vulnerable to getting swarmed by smaller (even NPC) ships now.

What ship exactly should depend on your skills. What races and weapon types are your strengths (or least weak P)? Have you seen the Battlecruisers skill?

Did you want to PvE in highsec missions, or did you have something else in mind?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-02-22 14:22:17 UTC
if you are short on money, you should sell your scorpion and use teh money for smaller ships. if you have not trained battlecruisers yet, i would propose to get on it ASAP, not only are they a good basic platform for PVE and PVP, you will also profit from training the battlecruiser skill before the summer expansion (read this for more info).
if you already have the skills to fly a caldari battleship effectively and want to do some lvl4 missions (the most profitable hisec pve for small groups), you can buy a raven or raven navy issue instead of the scorpion.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Pistolio
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-22 14:33:20 UTC
Kasutra wrote:
The Scorpion is an electronic warfare ship, it's one of the few battleships not at all suitable for PvE.

I suggest re-learning the ropes on a smaller ship class - rookie mistakes are expensive in a battleship, and battleships are vulnerable to getting swarmed by smaller (even NPC) ships now.

What ship exactly should depend on your skills. What races and weapon types are your strengths (or least weak P)? Have you seen the Battlecruisers skill?

Did you want to PvE in highsec missions, or did you have something else in mind?



Ok, and let say re-learning with the big ship but staying in 0.5 or above, can this be a good option?

I am Caldari. My most developped gunnery skills are Hybrid Turret IIRC

Drones skills very high. I have heavy combat drones in my Scorpion. I LOVE drones 

Battlecruiser skill? I need to verify, I cant remember. The ship I used a lot before the Scorpion was a Thorax. Cant remember what class it is.

As for PvE, ultimatly going into lowsec territories, to encounter stronger NPC and maybe discover good salvaging opportunities? For now, that’s pretty much the plan.
Pistolio
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-02-22 14:34:49 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
if you are short on money, you should sell your scorpion and use teh money for smaller ships. if you have not trained battlecruisers yet, i would propose to get on it ASAP, not only are they a good basic platform for PVE and PVP, you will also profit from training the battlecruiser skill before the summer expansion (read this for more info).
if you already have the skills to fly a caldari battleship effectively and want to do some lvl4 missions (the most profitable hisec pve for small groups), you can buy a raven or raven navy issue instead of the scorpion.


Ok, I will take a look about that battlecruiser skill.

Small group, for now, we planned to be only 2 persons. What kind of mission we can do?

Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-02-22 14:46:08 UTC
all Battlecruisers should be able to run lvl 3 missions
Pistolio
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-02-22 14:52:37 UTC
Thanks for the tip.

To add more precision about how I wish to play the game.

When I first started to play in 2003, my main lucrative activity was mining. My mining skills are very high, I am well equipped for that (Not sure if it still the case base in today’s standard).

Now, with my brother, I wish to collect money in another way. Chasing NPC rats and salvaging seems interesting for now. I’m not into PvP at all (is there still always a risk to be attacked by other players?)

Thanks!
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-02-22 15:00:29 UTC
there is always a risk of being attacked, especially if you are a miner (see minerbumping.com). that said, as long as you stay in hisec, do not step on anybody's toes and fly ships that can't drop anything too expensive, you are generally safe. nobody will attack a T2 equipped battlecruiser and be blown up by space police just for the lulz.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Pistolio
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-02-22 15:04:47 UTC
Staying in hisec, means what lower I can go? 0.5?

And is there money to do in this catergory?
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#10 - 2013-02-22 15:26:34 UTC
If you want to fly something that uses drones/hybrids then Gallente is probably the better race in terms of ships for you right now, though you have the Scorpion Navy Issue and the Rattlesnake which use the Caldari Battleship skill. They do however use missiles so your hybrids won't be very useful there.

I would very much recommend training up the skills for Battlecruisers/Destroyers plus all racial cruisers to 3 to get the most out of it when the summer expansion hits, and starting out in sub-battleship sized ships is probably best when you haven't been around for that long. There has been improvements to the NPC AI, they now switch targets and go for your drones quite often.

The Thorax you used to fly is a Gallente Cruiser, and starting out with a cruiser to get a feel for the game again might be a good idea. Battlecruisers are somewhat forgiving as well, though Battleships are a coffin if fitted or flown incorrectly.

Would advice you to dig some in the dev blogs from the latest year at least, as CCP has rebalanced a lot in the game during this period and covered most of the improvements in detail there.

Highsec is 0.5 and up to 1.0. While you're technically "safe" there someone might decide to gank you, either for fun or if your ship has modules or cargo valuable enough for a gank. While lvl 1-3 missions don't give all that much money, relearning the ropes is highly recommended before you move on to lvl 4's where you can make a decent amount of isk. Once you've gotten into a Battleship down the line, joining into Incursions might be a good step for more isk/hour. (Incursions are PvE activities you group up with certain fleet layouts and fight against the Sansha where they invade space, which can be anywhere in EVE except wormholes.)

With so many changes since you last played I can just recommend you to try things out, and figure out more about what's your thing somewhere down the line when you got the feel for the game back.

Lastly,
Good Luck!
Pistolio
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-02-22 15:40:06 UTC
Thank you so much for your input, I really appreciate it :)
Stazzmo
Interstellar Accounting Consortium Inc. LLC
#12 - 2013-02-22 19:54:47 UTC
Since you capitalized your love for drones (and I totally agree with the sentiment Big smile) my advice would be to try a Vexor then graduate to a Myrmidon which for various sentimental reasons is my favorite ship in the game. I've been away for a year plus and just got back a few days ago, but i remember the Myrm taught me how to fit a ship for PVE.

And don't undock with something you can't afford to lose.

I'm relearning how to play too. Last night i quick fitted a Rifter and went ratting in 0.8 space and it was wonderful.
A Ingus
Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships
#13 - 2013-02-22 20:18:11 UTC
Stazzmo wrote:
Since you capitalized your love for drones (and I totally agree with the sentiment Big smile) my advice would be to try a Vexor then graduate to a Myrmidon which for various sentimental reasons is my favorite ship in the game. I've been away for a year plus and just got back a few days ago, but i remember the Myrm taught me how to fit a ship for PVE.

And don't undock with something you can't afford to lose.

I'm relearning how to play too. Last night i quick fitted a Rifter and went ratting in 0.8 space and it was wonderful.

This and the other above poster telling you to train Gallente are giving you good advice. OP, if you like drones then the Vexor, Myrm, Domi progression is the way to go for you. Especially because you already have Gallente cruiser trained apparently.

You will want to train sentry drones. They are possibly the best weapon for pve level 4s. For level 3s you will do fine with tech II medium drones of the appropriate damage type for each mission. The Myrm and Domi can each be shield tanked as well, so if your armor tanking skills are lagging you can adapt these ships to what skills you presently have.

Bonus to this plan is that gallente and caldari ship skills open up the gurista pirate ships. Of which the Gila and Rattlesnake (which are now drone + missile boats, and shield tankers) that are both decent for pve activities.

btw - you are not caldari. you are a human being and you "fly caldari." Blink
Pistolio
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-02-23 00:25:20 UTC
Thanks a lot for all this info.

Not sure if im correct, but back then in 2003, the battlecruiser class was not existant isint? The step after having a cruiser was to get a battleship. Am I wrong?

So right now I'm traning the required skills for those battlecruiser. I will then get one of the ship suggested, one with a large drone cargo.

Cheers!
Orlacc
#15 - 2013-02-23 01:40:13 UTC
Yes Battlecruisers were non-existent. I too heartily recommend the Myrm. Fun boat!

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

CMD Ishikawa
New Eden Public Security Section 9
#16 - 2013-02-23 17:08:36 UTC
You have to be careful using drones in missions right now because npcs will attack them as soon as they are out.

They can still be used but more micromanage is required.

Myrmidon just got a buff that make viable the use of sentries in it and with the right support modules they can kill frigates with no problem.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-02-23 18:09:55 UTC
Yikes, ten years ago was a LONG time ago.

My advice is to learn everything again from the ground up. EVE is a completely different game than it was 10 years ago. Trying to skip back up to battleship will leave you completely clueless on the hundreds of changes that occurred among the other tiers.

Start the game like you are completely new. Hell, create a new character and start from the bottom (you can go back to your main once you know how the game works again, shouldn't take too long) this way you won't miss anything and it won't catch you by surprise at a bad moment.

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Ginger Barbarella
#18 - 2013-02-23 18:27:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
Concentrate on Dessies and Cruisers, T2 fits. Those will suit just about any activity in high sec excluding some L3 missions and L4 missions. Get your core skills solid before diving into battleships. If you have the ISK look into faction or pirate cruisers: they can handle more than your basic T1 hulls can.

Adn fredfredbug4's comments are valid here, too...

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Stazzmo
Interstellar Accounting Consortium Inc. LLC
#19 - 2013-02-25 17:53:47 UTC
This weekend i threw together an Algos, and ran a few level 1's for Federation Navy... I realized i had forgotten a lot of the basics about the game, and also a lot of stuff has changed. Like if you hover over a loaded gun it tells you what the optimum range is. That totally blew me away.

Anyhow, my follow up is that the Algos is another good ship to try out. Its somewhere between a frigate and a cruiser with lots of high slots and a good drone bay... and it looks cool too. It seems a little fragile though and i fit a basic armor tank to it but level 1s aren't much of a test of that.