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Redesign of some ships

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Goose99
#21 - 2011-10-26 21:16:07 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Strange that you'd love apoc but hate geddon. They have very similar style. There's the phon and numerous others that typically rate below the geddon.


Umm. Where did I say that? I hate the apoc and don't mind the geddon, in fact. The problem with the apoc is that huge gaping hull in its underbelly. Apoc looks at best like a bit of space debris. Geddon looks fascinatingly evil and clearly designed to kill.

But like I said, unlikely to get much consensus on any of this....


Hmm... I fail at reading, lulz. Cases like this won't get much consensus. But hatred for moa or raven is pretty much universal.
Roisin Connor
Fight Club Outfit
DammFam
#22 - 2011-10-26 21:28:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Roisin Connor
Zhilia Mann wrote:

But like I said, unlikely to get much consensus on any of this....


Why do you keep nagging about "consensus"? That has never been the purpose of this thread in the first place. We don't have to agree on anything. But if people keeps posting what ships they find to be the ugliest, at least we can get an impression of the general opinion. If nothing else, maybe people find it interesting to hear what others have to say. At least I do (that's my main reason for starting this thread). If CCP is to change the design of the "ugliest ship in game", they would have to conduct some kind of poll anyway. We can't possibly solve any "problems" through consensus based decision-making in a forum thread, I'm sorry to break those news for you.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#23 - 2011-10-26 21:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
Roisin Connor wrote:
We can't possibly solve any "problems" in a forum thread, I'm sorry to break those news for you.


Fixed that for you.

Methinks that the constant reminders of inevitable disagreement, though, come from having been through previous_similar_threads.

Edit: now that, dear new forums, is a stupid formatting rule.
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#24 - 2011-10-26 21:39:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennifer Starling
Zhilia Mann wrote:


  • Ashimmu


But ... the Ashimmu is on of my favourite hulls!! Straight

Someone should make a rating website similar to what they did with the avatars. Let's see what ship comes out on top .. and at the bottom.
Roisin Connor
Fight Club Outfit
DammFam
#25 - 2011-10-26 21:41:16 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Roisin Connor wrote:
We can't possibly solve any "problems" in a forum thread, I'm sorry to break those news for you.


Fixed that for you.


Please don't troll this thread. This is a thread for exchange of viewpoints, and eventually a possibility of getting a feel for the general census on what the ugliest ships in the games are. I didn't start this thread so we could have an argument about a a completely subjective matter.

If you fail to know the difference between "consensus" and "census", please reconsider your participation in this thread.
Roisin Connor
Fight Club Outfit
DammFam
#26 - 2011-10-26 21:44:52 UTC
Jennifer Starling wrote:

Someone should make a rating website similar to what they did with the avatars. Let's see what ship comes out on top .. and at the bottom.


That would be great. I wish CCP would do that in-game though, because that would make it more likely that a ship or two would be considered for redesigning. Blink
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#27 - 2011-10-26 21:56:45 UTC
Roisin Connor wrote:
Please don't troll this thread. This is a thread for exchange of viewpoints, and eventually a possibility of getting a feel for the general census on what the ugliest ships in the games are. I didn't start this thread so we could have an argument about a a completely subjective matter.


Sigh. Well, that took a turn for the worse.

Look, I gave you my take. I also gave a meta take on the overall utility of performing another of these surveys. But I certainly won't discourage you from doing so.

By the by, the eventual answer (if past performance is any indication) will be that the Moa is the worst followed by the Raven and the Dominix with honorable mention for the Imicus if enough people remember what it looks like and especially if someone brings up the old Helios.

But hey, maybe opinions have shifted in the past few months. Anything is possible.

Roisin Connor wrote:
If you fail to know the difference between "consensus" and "census", please reconsider your participation in this thread.


If I were to substantively respond to this bit, it would be trolling. So we'll just leave it as is, shall we?
Roisin Connor
Fight Club Outfit
DammFam
#28 - 2011-10-26 22:07:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Roisin Connor
Zhilia Mann wrote:

If I were to substantively respond to this bit, it would be trolling. So we'll just leave it as is, shall we?


Yes, let's leave that as is. Seems we have come to an agreement. Smile I'm sorry if I have been brusque towards you, but I got the impression you thought we were going to discuss which one is the ugliest ship in game, and bring forth arguments as to why it was so and try to come to an agreement (since you kept using the word consensus). That was never my intention.

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By the by, the eventual answer (if past performance is any indication) will be that the Moa is the worst followed by the Raven and the Dominix with honorable mention for the Imicus if enough people remember what it looks like and especially if someone brings up the old Helios.


I haven't participated so much in these threads before, but from in-game chat the Moa seem to stand out. Never heard this about the Raven before though. I can't understand it either, because this is a ship that actually resembles a bird, which makes it fitting for its name. Personally, I think it's the second best looking Caldari ship.

Anyhow, thanks for the input. Hopefully we'll get more of those throughout the thread, because no single ship has been standing out as "the ugly ship" throughout my career in New Eden (since summer 2010) besides Moa.
Thelron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-10-26 22:50:08 UTC
I think the Raven gripes are less the shape and more that it has a "90's graphics" feel to a lot of parts of it... it's (IMO) nicely designed, but some bits just look like they weren't really finished.

Also, one of the problems with the idea of "make this ugly ship look good" is that some of us *like* our ugly ships. The Moa is a good example... yes, the fact that it's amazingly butt-ugly is one of the few statements that won't set off a forum war, but (again, IMO, though I know other people who've felt the same) that's a *good* thing because it's an all-business ship and it's in the business of making you look even uglier than it does.

(and, along the whole "subjective" lines, I'm of the opinion that they took one of the better-looking and more characterful ships in the Caldari lineup and turned it into a rediculous charicature (err, no way that's spelled right...) when they re-did the Scorpion. It has friggin' *legs" even... also both the blackbird and the bantam were made extra-ugly in the last round of changes, so things don't always turn out "nicer")

Basically... "no" on the redesign front... at least fundamental redesigns. Fixing older models up to keep looking cool next to the new ones I can support, but big re-works shouldn't happen unless they *need* to (like "sued" or the shape is causing actual technical problems).
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2011-10-27 02:34:16 UTC
Good lord, the Moa makes the Raven look like the Mona Lisa.
Auria McGlennen
NO Tax FAT Stacks
#31 - 2011-10-27 04:02:05 UTC
90% of caldari ships look like a two year old with Legos put them together. I'd love for them to be changed like they changed the Scorpion.
Lord Mandelor
Oruze Cruise
White Stag Exit Bag
#32 - 2011-10-27 07:17:14 UTC
Imagine some Caldari ships being symmetrical.
Suddenly they look WAY better. Scorpion being a prime example.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#33 - 2011-10-27 07:38:23 UTC
I remember reading that there is an ongoing ship redesign project?

It's just very slow, and could well be that those resources are now hard at work finishing the new tier 3 BCs (which by the previews and leaks, look absolutely stunningly gorgeous <3 )

Dominix is a love/hate affair, it's not very sexy, but it's looks are certainly appropriate. I do love the ship dearly, though.

Same cannot be said for the Imicus/Helios hull, while Imicus is the best scanning frig in game no question, it is unbearably butt-ugly to look at no matter how much I like the ship. The old version (current Maulus hull) is stunning- ominous, mystic, total success, on the other hand.

And do NOT touch the Brutix design. It's a beast. Makes all other hulls look like toys.



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Potato IQ
Doomheim
#34 - 2011-10-27 07:53:38 UTC
Caldari have some of the poorest looking ships, most noticeably the cruisers. Apart from the Caracal, please let’s have the pretty stick swung against the Blackbird, Moa and Osprey as the ugly stick has been wielded with extreme prejudice here


Jennifer Starling wrote:
Someone should make a rating website similar to what they did with the avatars. Let's see what ship comes out on top .. and at the bottom.


Nice idea. Who knows, they may actually action with the new ready to please CCP attitude

Cillet Baang Scott
Allowance Pester Dread
#35 - 2011-10-27 08:38:50 UTC
accurate and pinpoint texturing will save the day. Get your GFX on and come and join the space age.
Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
#36 - 2011-10-27 10:06:44 UTC
I would like to redesign these ships:

Raven

Moa

Blackbird

Belicose

Bantam

Dominix keep it potatoey but minor teak could improve on that skeletal front face :)

Slight Apoc underbelly fix

GM Spiral
Game Master Retirement Home
#37 - 2011-10-27 11:16:21 UTC
Why so much hate on the poor Moa? Sad

I disliked the ship intensely for years, but in the last couple of them it has grown on me. I quite like the overweight little metal ostrich with the overstuffed suitcase now. It is one of the ships that are uniquely EVE Online's. Quite a few ships could use a facelift, Moa likely among them. But I'd mourn that lumpen shape for a long time.

Anyways, carry on.

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People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
#38 - 2011-10-27 11:25:25 UTC
I detest the golden banana apoc design. It looks like I wanna break the thing. The worst part is its the Marauder hull too, I was so disappointed when I found out. I would have much preferred the Abaddon look.

Brutix is the sexiest ship ever, do not touch my suicide ganking machine.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2011-10-27 11:48:54 UTC
Moa is the best looking ship it is unique not like the other lame boring you can see thisstyle everywhere ships.

The caracal +drake are the only ugly ships caldari has.
Btw just look at the dominix wtf is that? so boring and ugly.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#40 - 2011-10-27 12:06:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
I think the exequror could use a looking-at, personally. I do like the overall design of it, but the engines are placed/sized in a way that makes it seem like the ship has to defy the laws of physics to fly in a straight line. Ugh

http://www.ravestats.com/public/fen/gallente-exequror-3.jpg

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