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House Murder. Organizing for: Amarrian Arms Flight
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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#41 - 2013-02-22 06:02:45 UTC
I read the news constantly, pilot.

Be as condescending, pedantic and snarky as you please Luftshreck but the news items you posted are isolated incidents and not some kind of widespread, organized persecution as you keep attempting to portray. Sorry but, you can't erase 1000 years of history just like that. Our people, just like your Amarrian masters, have long memories. It will take time for relations between traditional Matari and those practicing your religion to normalize. It's only been a little over a century since the founding of the Republic. Freedom of speech, assembly and religion were enshrined in the Republic's original constitution. The fact that some, perhaps most, Matari aren't ready to accept your Amarrian religion with open arms doesn't change the fact that the practice of said religion is protected by our laws. That's a damned sight more freedom than anyone has in your masters' monolithic Empire.

You really need to find a new thing to rail against. Your constant attempts to discredit the Republic only serve to make you appear foolish and biased. We get that you had a hard time but honestly, the vast majority who are in the Republic are quite happy to be here. If they're not, they're free to leave for the Federation, State, Empire, Mandate, Kuvakei's Nation or wherever they feel they'd be happy. The fact that there is no mass exodus, even among your Amarrian faithful, puts the lie to your assertions.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Koronakesh
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
#42 - 2013-02-22 06:39:22 UTC
I find this idea of arming and training individuals who are placed within a crowded, hostile environment quite laudable and will be making appropriate donations to that effect.

SASPR Amir al-Mu'minin
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#43 - 2013-02-22 09:41:56 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
You really need to find a new thing to rail against. Your constant attempts to discredit the Republic only serve to make you appear foolish and biased. We get that you had a hard time but honestly, the vast majority who are in the Republic are quite happy to be here. If they're not, they're free to leave for the Federation, State, Empire, Mandate, Kuvakei's Nation or wherever they feel they'd be happy. The fact that there is no mass exodus, even among your Amarrian faithful, puts the lie to your assertions.


To be fair, many who might wish to leave are unable to do so due to low incomes. Afterall, many had to rely on aid from the Sisters of EVE just to get transport to the Republic in the first place. It can be especially hard if your family does not support your desire to leave, as individual family members will certainly not have the income necessary for that kind of relocation on their own.

It is true though that the situation is certainly not as... apocalyptic as miss Luftschreck seems to believe, and Amarrian-delivered weapons are just as likely to escalate the situation as they are to protect the victims. While greater security for those that are targeted for their faith is needed, I feel that transport and startup fare for those who wish to leave but lack the income would be a superior option to pursue.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#44 - 2013-02-22 14:31:30 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
While greater security for those that are targeted for their faith is needed, I feel that transport and startup fare for those who wish to leave but lack the income would be a superior option to pursue.


Why live under the tyranny of "or" when you can exult in the bounteous magnanimity of "and?"
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#45 - 2013-02-22 14:53:58 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
While greater security for those that are targeted for their faith is needed, I feel that transport and startup fare for those who wish to leave but lack the income would be a superior option to pursue.


I tend to agree. I believe Crow's goal here is that he's actually trying to increase the volatility of the situation without breaking Republic law. I don't think it will work as well as he thinks it will. Yes, people get scooped up in slave raids who might have wanted to stay in the Empire (and that in and of itself is a problem that needs to be dealt with) but its not like the republic is kidnapping people in order to persecute them like Luftshreck seems to believe. Its a messy situation but its not that big of a problem overall, and its not like its the republic's fault either. Its the fault of the those tribes who decided it would be a good idea to launch 'rescue missions' in violation of international treaties and grab entire slave villages in the middle of the night. That needs to stop. Spirits, its no wonder the Empire calls the republic a Rebel state.

Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#46 - 2013-02-22 15:10:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
*flickers in wearing a long ankle length dress, seated on a wooden chair at a simple dormitory desk that is otherwise bare except for a datapad. Through the window can be seen the spires and domes of the Amarr Legio Basilica.*

Lord Crow with all due respect and deference to one of your station, I would humbly urge you to consult with the Imperial ministries dealing with foreign affairs to ensure that you are not interfering with or causing complications for long-time plans of the Empire. While I applaud your efforts to help the Faithful, I worry that your unilateral efforts may complicate Her Majesties' management of the Minmitar "problem". While you are of course free to and will probably disegard the thoughts of a mere commoner, like me, I urge you to exercise prudence and caution. I am willing to send you non-military supplies to the extent the Faithful in the regions concerned may need humanitarian aid.

*punches a button on her datapad, and ends the feed*
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#47 - 2013-02-22 18:26:18 UTC
Koronakesh wrote:
I find this idea of arming and training individuals who are placed within a crowded, hostile environment quite laudable and will be making appropriate donations to that effect.


No, you won't be.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#48 - 2013-02-22 18:29:14 UTC
How often need I warn people away from attempting, or claiming capacity, to reading my mind? I have stated what is happening and the reasons for it. If as Electus Matari member Annabella Rella claims these news are independent, individual cases. Then the only results from this is few people more within the Republic with a capacity to resist raids by any pirates. If she speaks truth, then there is little harm done to and possible respect to gain by the Faithful by protecting their neighbours against illegal slave raids.

Ms. Aspenstar, it is not my habit to disregard what people say. So while I may disagree or hold my own counsel your words will get measured I assure you. Capitulizing to demands to relocate law-abiding Republic inhabitants of Faith, based on minmatar claims that even though all of Amarr Faith are perfectly safe, increasing their ability to self-defence will somehow escalate things? No, I think not.

House Murder assisting some other Amarrian outreach programs helping those disillusioned with the freedoms of minmatar Republic? Possibly, however such discussion does not touch upon this particular effort.

As empyrean Noh stated we are not in a situation where we are forced to choose between one or the other.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#49 - 2013-02-22 19:47:50 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Saede Riordan wrote:
I believe someone once said, Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. I support your initiative and will make contributions to it when I am able.


Huh. Well, she doesn't have the plumbing I had in mind... and she's not on the ground.... but she is a Sebiestor, and so I think it must be Heaven's will that I make good on my second pledge. Best wishes!


wat.

Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#50 - 2013-02-23 00:29:52 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Saede Riordan wrote:
I believe someone once said, Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. I support your initiative and will make contributions to it when I am able.


Huh. Well, she doesn't have the plumbing I had in mind... and she's not on the ground.... but she is a Sebiestor, and so I think it must be Heaven's will that I make good on my second pledge. Best wishes!


wat.


I had suggested previously that if His Excellency were ever to expand his program to include recruiting members of the Sebiestor Tribe to his noble cause, I should happily match my initial contribution. Although I prefer my Sebiestor in a different package, your statement struck me as Close Enough For Serendipity, and so I forwarded my second pledge - may it help those most in need.
King Moroni
Phoenix Foundry
#51 - 2013-02-23 01:48:31 UTC
Mr. Crow

I'm trying to honestly find a more productive advance of your casue. Surely my father (as of late) wouldn't approve of, or the rise of, potential conflict. Granted there are alot of hate crimes. But our God is bevelonet and knows the individual crysis's of our hearts. perhaps a more local building of protective services? I'm sure funding for that would well be quite easy to get. and you can use those small arms to army the protective services. that sounds like a win win to me...

Frankly i don't understant why amarr citizens would even go into a questionable places to temporarly live if the threat is high. Don't we have levels of dangers for travel to certain places?
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