Market Discussions

GD is (and has always been) a very mixed bag, the only major change in quality that comes to mind is Akita reducing his posting frequency. But accidentally getting Sreegs to declare cache reading illegal (when my sole intention was to taunt him a bit) is something that can only happen in GD or devblog threads. That alone makes GD worth skimming.

CAOD is completely dead (James 315 wrote a good TMC article on this, blaming CCP's "no alts" policy).

C&P is certainly not the best it has ever been (Lana gone ) but still in pretty decent shape.

Your post is nonresponsive.

On the contrary, I agree with the OP to an extent, BUT

the OP simply hasn't grasped EvE online gameplay concept of a sandbox with no rules, therefore OP scamming is a legitimate in and out of game activity.

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I also want to note, iv used MD quite extensively, its entertaining and was once useful for a short term loan which kept my merchants from failscading due to a flash investment that didn't go exactly to plan, AKA needed 3 more days then I planned, what cost me 110M isk saved me from losing over 600M ISK from regular ingame activity. (thanks to grendal again).

Trolling is quite entertaining because to be honest, grinding ISK day after day, this is how we kind of socialize.
We want to socialize but we dont want to talk about whats on our minds, so we just entertain each other, like you are doing right now, in reality your trolling scamers.

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Every ones not out to get you OP, fact of the matter is, every ones just looking out forthemselves.

Didn't read most of this crap. Never do really.

The MD Forums are a great place to figure out what NOT to do. Its really that simple. The advice I have seen offered here has never been something you couldn't look up yourself. You come here to recon what 'Market types' are doing for entertainment. I came here to watch the fine art of scamming the public out of its money, but I don't participate. Its funny to read. Every so often there is a gem of information...but its extremely rare.

I suppose this is your farewell to MD? Because you have basically listed as negative most of what MD is about.

OP,

When I first posted something to MD, I had been lurking a long time beforehand.
My first post was asking about collateral evaluation, AFTER having searched through the MD section AND the sticky with handy links.

Some people make a new thread, asking for information that is already available by using the search function and the muscles in their index finger(s).
This generates the answer that the poster can easily find the info themselves.

On the matter of Bond/IPO Offering folks being called scammers:
It's a sad fact of life, especially on MD, that a multitude of people offering up Bonds/IPO's turn out to be scammers, some of them very elaborate and good looking.
MD has always had the habit of ripping apart any and all Bonds/IPO's/Loans, before anyone invests in them. After all, the ISK invested has been earned in various ways, and is not easily parted with.

Why do I lurk in MD then?
Because I like this section of the forum, as there are some mighty good threads to be found, and some of them are just plain hilarious.
For those who are looking to learn, then there are multiple gems hidden away amongs the threads on other pages, one has but to find them.

Would I like to see a change in MD?
Not necessarily, but if I had the power to enforce 1 change, it would be in seeing Bonds/IPO's offered specifically to newer traders, so they can get into the MD Metagame, and hopefully learn something on the way.

Personally, I've had a small amount of loans through MD, all of them without collateral, and I had no issue in finding investors in general.
Only once did I not see a loan get through, that because I retracted it.

On collateralized Bonds/IPO's/Loans:
Small loans with no collateral can be filled quite fast on MD, while bigger ones then to take more time, and require collateral.
Would you risk investing 10B ISK into an uncollateralised loan though?
I wouldn't, I'd like to know that there is a back up in place, should the offer crash and burn.

As a last point, I'd like to just say the following about Rep Grinding:
People do get accused of Rep Grinding, and I think that every accusation is founded.
People that alraedy have a good rep need to keep that rep up.
People needing rep, can only gain this by posting...
So, in a way, every post is someone grinding rep :)

I don't even need rep.

Do you even rep?

Don't worry. I am all wrong every day

if you'd like I can give you a little more help on this front

specifically i would like you to work on your openness to magical thinking and belief you can divine the future through sorcery and the entrails of graphs

I am a long time occasional lurker. I haven't noticed any change in MD since 2006, maybe apart new faces appearing and old faces fading away.

I don't necessarily agree with the tone of the OP but I would like to see MD evolve past trolling and IPO/Bond/Scam offers.

I mean if there is a subforum that is capable of doing so, it's this one.

The problem with MD as I see it is the fact that there are people around who have been playing for couple of years and got somewhat rich. Same as in real life, having money makes you feel good. But it also makes you a prick.

So here we are, we've got plenty of top-quality posters, who will offer advice and information based on real research and backed with evidence. But the same people also think that they are somewhat better than others.

This has put me off posting in MD for many years.

Everyone should chill the **** out.