EVE General Discussion

just throwing it out there, add more low ends to spod and gneiss.

you know it makes sense.

Did you know that in the turn of the 20th century the biggest problem that New York was facing was horse manure?

All the experts and specialist of the time had long and boring debates about how to deal with this terrible problem, as if the city kept growing at the same rate soon horse manure would make it impossible to live in the city.

All those specialist could do was to project the future based on the past and present experience at the time.

Not a single one could see that the cheap car manufactured by Ford was the solution to their problem as it made the horse obsolete for public transportation.

One can only hope that people in CCP will invent some kind of game play that will make all these boring treads full of specialists discussing old ideas obsolete as well.

It happen before when the forum was full of the same people discussing how to limit size of fleets to fix lag. CCP came with TD and those treads full of "good" ideas proposed by the best minds in the game suddenly died.

One can only hope.

Nerfing hi-sec to the point where null becomes the producer of choice would lead to decline and the eventual obsolescence of hi-sec industry. That would exclude hi-sec industrialists and new players from production. I don't think that would be a desirable effect. As things stand now, everyone has accessibility to industry in hi-sec, no one is being excluded. The result of such a change could end up being worse than the problem it is supposed to solve, putting most industry in the hands of a few powerful players who will abuse their position and secure the lions share of the profits for themselves and their cohorts. That could mean even greater concentration of power in large coalitions.

The problem in null is that there is too much power in too few hands not that hi-sec is too good.

if i'll only ever have nine manufacturing jobs and ten slots, there is no practical difference between my ten slots and infinite slots

how should nullsec POS be buffed to be better than highsec industry when highsec has infinite free slots

how should POS refine rates be made greater than one hundred percent

your op is horrible btw. you don't address any 'nerf highsec' or 'increase risk' arguments and dismiss those that make them with 'they only want ganks don't listen to them'.

From what I understand, that's not for you to say exclusively, its a sandbox, so there is more than one right answer.

A point of view isn't necessarily a fact.

I don't propose making nullsec competitive. It works already. The amount of nerfing you would need to do to make nullsec competitive would break the back of hi-sec industry. I think that's why CCP isn't bothering with POS and industry upgrades because they know it leads to a dead end for hi-sec with disproportionate gains for a few people in null. There isn't a lot of upside to that for CCP from what I can see.

Its not risk free. You lay your money down and bet you will make a profit. If you are good, you make money, otherwise you lose money. Its player vs player.

No, it doesn't. Nothing significant is built there that can be imported.

More to the point, CCP disagrees with you too. Twice.



Nope. HS will still automatically be risk free and convenient. If the Mackinaw has taught us anything, it's that that's a big deal.

Know how much ISK it costs to build a Rhea? ~2m. 2m in fees to build a 7 Billion ISK item. And that's on the higher end of the fees/value ratio. A Hurricane is ~1800 ISK in fees for a 50m ship.



Yeah, no.

POS are the key to the null industry scheme brought up by some nullsec industry enthusiasts. They aren't doing it.