EVE General Discussion

So in other words, evey war dec ever laid against you has been devastatingly successful, and continues to be even after they end.

Oho, and you feel the need to throw in an insult because you're so butthurt over it. Makes me wish I could wardec you too.

Actually, they are 'wringing their hands' over the fact that carebears demand immunity from other players.

Confirmation (as if confirmation was needed) that as a risk-averse carebear you haven't even the first clue of what EVE is about. The only thing the players have to offer EVE is subscription money? By Zeus, I've finally heard it all.


But, you know, up until this point I don't have a problem with your actions or attitudes. I have no issue with you, how did someone put it, 'eating the sand'. You do what you like and entertain me by crying on the forums. All is well so far. It's here...

...here that you turn into a cancer on the game that should be removed. The one group of players who demand immunity from everyone else. It wouldn't be an issue except that, you're right, CCP do and will listen. The one group in the game that wants to minimize player interaction is the one is the one which is historically most successful in getting other peoples' playstyles nerfed or removed at their request.


Anyway, no real point to this post, was just reading through and accumulated some responses as I went. Came expecting entertainment, left satisfied.

I just came along this thread and have to spend my 10 cents, please dont mind my english, i´m not a native :)



If u think a war is successful if the victim is forced to "dodge" the Wardec, then it is. But let me say that: he dont care. He really dont. Because its mostly just his way of earning ISK, many of them just use these characters to earn money for pvp. But even if not couldn´t he care less about the profit he lose. He just switch over to NPC-Stations (just a example) and get 10 billions instead of 15.
Well, so the producer missed a little profit and still have more then enough to pay at least for his PLEX, but the wardeccer sits and waits... and waits... and waits... u get the point ?
Sometimes he get a untanked badger or a sleeping hauler, but well... if u call waiting for that fun... i guess u can also go mining

Also i have to ask some people here about the "risk-averse"-thing: isnt the one who do the wardec also a real hard risk-averse player ? Is he realy "hardcore-PvP" when he do highsec-wars with a nearly-unscannable booster-loki on a savespot, loads of Factionmodules, neutral Scouts (which nobody can engage - because they are ofc in a NPC-Corp), neutral Logistics (oh, wait... in a npc-corp) etc. ? I dont whine about it, im just curious why some people are bitching about the "highsec-carebear-cowards" while nearly all of the highsec-wardeccers involve every possible option so they will never lose any ship. I´m sure a lot less people would ***** around when the wadeccers would try >not< to use every possible way to secure a green killboard. But well... i never met someone like that. All of them used these things and never even dared to fight against something that even could be a little thread to them.



Fyi - im not pewpew-denying guy, i lose way more ships a week then others do in a couple of months. My killboard is deep-red, because i even jump into 1vs10, just because i might get that single ******* interceptor which name i dont like. But in my opinion "PvP" involve at least 2 things: first the stupidity of one side (e.g. a hauler with billions of cargo, a guy who dont scout his hauler in low/null, a afk-miner, a ninja in WH etc.), proving that he/she is too dumb for what he/she is actualy doing or second at least a little possibility that >both< sides can lose a ship from time to time. A highsec-wardeccer try to minimize his risk at least as much as the highsec-carebear does.

So bitching around about the so-called-risk-averse-coward-carebears and dont saying a word about this wannabe-l33t-pvp-practice might be a little out of relation. Of course a risk have to be there, but not just for one side (yeah, now come the "hire a merc or shoot back" - fraction want to interfere now, but realy... we all know what follows - the wardeccer also stay docked or go into a npc-corp, i tried it way too oftern). Many trader / producer have shitloads of ISK inside the market-pvp, way more the average EVE-player earn in weeks of missioning. Nothing is 100%-secure here either. Just because it does´nt make "BOOM" when he makes a mistake (he loses loads of isk instead without any insurance covering a part of it), he is a coward ?


:tldr: stop whining around about the risk-averse carebears, highsec-wardeccer put at least as much effort into lowering their risk as the smart carebears do. I heard the germans have a word for people like that: "Gutmensch".
Tears not included, im too rich to cry about wannabe-pirates in highsec.


To pick up the spirit: came in, expect butthurt-wannabe-highsecpirates, left satisfied.
(and expecting npc-corp-mimi because im posting with a alt - get over it, my main will never post in this forum)

Do you build all your own ships, modules and ammo tough guy? No? Didn't think so. Golly, I wonder where they came from, then?

Fact: Without carebears cranking out the cheap goods all the time then all the PvPers would quit in a month when a frigate shoots up to ten million ISK.

Yeah but mining is very boring; little risk, little reward.

Correction: Mining is very boring *for you*. And important distinction. I tend to find it rather relaxing.

And if I want to mine with some excitement, I can always mine in low sec.

Wrong.

Without carebears AFK mining in highsec, we would use our social skills to arrange supplies/ships from other (better) players at a mutually agreed price.

The fun you have can and most certainly will interfere with the fun someone else is having. They might not like that.

Do you know what happens to a game that don't?



Pandas.

Please warn us before you say things like that. Now I've got soda in my nostrils.

Oddly enough i was also one of the ones that were disapointed that Monk's thread got locked because it was an interesting subject.

But anyway.. This thread has also moved into a more.. "PVP IS AWESOME! Your a bad player if you dont agree" and the other side saying "I dont mind PVP but i dont see the point in blowing up noobs and industrials".
For some reason it seems to be very hard for both sides to understand the other, and trust me i know im at fault for this as well. Thus i will try to actually.. explain what MIGHT be why people enjoy what they do in the game. Please note i might be completely wrong in some aspects since i have never done it and can only base it on what i have seen on forums (not the best place for accurate information) or talking to people (which ofc can also lie).

Please note everything is based on my own personal opinion and im not saying this is how it is or isent.

Mining - At one point i actually liked to mine. I enjoyed having some peace and quiet, do it while watching TV, or reading the forums or whatever or small chat with corp members in corp chat or TS and felt a sense of accomplishment when i had enough to build *whatever* either to sell or for my self.
Now i only mine if a bunch of people drag me kicking and screaming from the station and they better be drunk out of their minds and ready to entertain me with drunken singing on TS. The social aspect makes it entertaining, not the activety it self.

Trading - Trading involves some risk. You might have a really good call and walk away with a lot, or you make a really bad one and you loose it all. Think about it like playing chess i guess.. People who are good at it can pride them selfes on the fact that they understand the system and can make a fortune on it while they might make plans for weeks in the future and sit and chew their nails while seeing if their predictions were right.

PVP - This one is harder since there are so many forms of PVP (talking about the ship blowing up PVP here btw). You have the fleet fights. Ofc these are exiting for many! You are fighting for a cause, working together/against 100ds if not 1000ds of other players and you know that what your doing is "important" to you and your group. Then you have the suecide ganking style. With this i imagion the hunt is a big part of the fun. Finding a suitable target and then the gamble on weather or not they will be down before concord gets to them, and seeing how much drops. Its a gamble. Small/solo fights.. The adrealine rush! I doubt much can beat that in any game out there. War deccing industry corps.. well ok i admit.. i struggle to see the enjoyment in this exept the "tears" and ofc a sense of accomplishment if the corp war decced disbands.

Misissions - This one is one i will be more willing to do. Its a good ISK income, and dirverse enough to not be to boring if i dont do it every single day, and it allows for both solo and group play. For younger players its also a good way to get a sense of how to follow commands, marking targets, having to pay attention to triggers and so on.

Incursions - I will admit i know nothing about them but i imagion its basically for the ISK and the sense of accomplishment and group activety. Many of these you can join even if your not in the same corp/alliance thus its perfect for those who like being in a solo corp or NPC corp.

I know there are more professions that could be added to this list but this is (in my own opinion) the basics.

But well.. i know that no matter how many threads are made on this subject it will always be an argument were one side says they are better then the other. In a game like EVE arguments like these are needed, but i also wish that people would be less defensive about it and be more willing to have a constructive discussion about it. As it stands currenly.. i can see many players simply decide to never do one or the other because they dislike the attitude that general group has. But then again.. these forums would be increddibly boring to read if there was no fighting going on and everyone agreed on everything