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Leopold Caine found guilty of all charges by Shandian Iu court.

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Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
#21 - 2013-02-22 02:50:09 UTC
Ok, who's got the betting pool for how long he's imprisoned? I want 3 weeks.

M.

Not as innocent as she appears.™  

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#22 - 2013-02-22 02:58:44 UTC
Slaver operating outside Empire or Mandate space? By all means, throw away the key on this guy. We respect the CONCORD treaties.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-02-22 03:04:58 UTC
Something is very fishy in all this affair. Very very wrong.

I know you'll be most cautious when dealing with the traitor Caine, but make sure the other options suggested here are denied. Specially, the possibility of having another person inside his brain, instead of himself. Or that he may have forked into several copies of himself before handing this one to justice.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#24 - 2013-02-22 05:04:25 UTC
BloodBird wrote:
Saede Riordan wrote:
I hope he's well guarded.


You don't like competitors, Angel?



Looks like someone hasn't kept up-to-date on news.

It's rather hard to associate with pirates of the cluster if you're...outside of the cluster in Anoikis.

In any case, I am surprised Leopold Caine admitted to anything. I do wonder if he's up to something?

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever

Khanton Angka
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-02-22 05:56:46 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
I hope he's well guarded.


Very well guarded. An assault on his location or attempted escape would be incredibly difficult.

We are aware of the plethora of ways a capsuleer can escape, we have searched for every possibility and are confident that we have minimized the risk. I think I would be lying to myself if I thought we could hold him for the full sentence however. We do expect to have him for a long time.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#26 - 2013-02-22 06:18:17 UTC
Merdaneth wrote:
All this focus on suffering and punishment seems to miss one of the most important function of imprisonment: reform and rehabilitation.

Give me mr. Caine for 50 years, and I'll make a new man and more morally sound man out of him.



I doubt that you'd be able to rehabilitate Caine's twisted soul even after 9 generations of slavery, much less 50 years. Still, it might be interesting and amusing to see you try Merdaneth.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-02-22 12:07:34 UTC
A malfeasant "Holder" being held to account by a Republic Court of Law.

Imperial loyalists concurring with the guilt and surrendering said "Holder."

Interesting times.

~Malcolm Khross

BloodBird
The Crucible.
#28 - 2013-02-22 14:07:23 UTC
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
BloodBird wrote:
Saede Riordan wrote:
I hope he's well guarded.


You don't like competitors, Angel?



Looks like someone hasn't kept up-to-date on news.

It's rather hard to associate with pirates of the cluster if you're...outside of the cluster in Anoikis.

In any case, I am surprised Leopold Caine admitted to anything. I do wonder if he's up to something?


I remember that bit quite well, I did read it at the time.

I simply don't buy it. You support the Angel Cartel freely and openly as long as it suited you, but as soon as a little bit of truth regarding the Cartel's nature is revealed and you are not as naive anymore, you "retract your support" wash your hands, and walk away.

It's not that simple. It should never BE that simple, but hey, Capsuleers have a nasty reputation for forgiving even the worst offenders among them at the drop of a hat.

It worked for Vikarion, it worked for Rek Jaiga, it worked For Ciarente, it worked for Silver Night, it worked for litterally hundreds of other traitors to Humanity, so why should it not work for you?

So by all means, carry on. On a Federal world, treason has serious consequenses. As a capsuleer, treason don't even involve a slap on the wrist.

Enjoy that fact as long as it lasts, Angel.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-02-22 15:50:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Halete
BloodBird wrote:

Enjoy that fact as long as it lasts, Angel.


I find this whole business farcical. The fact is that the Angel Cartel and the MO of the Alexlyva Paradox should have never crossed paths.

The heart of the matter is that Saede as an individual has had involvements with the Angels. But at best she may have been considered an associate, not a loyalist. Even then, a loyalist is not an Angel, so your name-calling is misplaced.

You will find that historically Corporate interests in the Cartel have been low among it's Capsuleer bloc. I myself take a stance of ambivalence to the Cartel; I find them to be useful as antagonists to the Republic, but I personally maintain poor standings with the Angels and I can't picture how they place into the vision of the Paradox, or how they could have ever been useful for more than a short-term, mutually beneficial business relationship.

To this end, whilst Saede and her baseliner teams serving directly beneath her have had dealings with the Cartel;

- No corporate assets (to my knowledge) have been used to support the Cartel's operations since Saede's announcement.

- Thusly, the majority of the corporation's (past and present) pilots have had no hand in supporting the Angels.

I will criticize my CEO at this time, though. My original premise states that the Cartel had no place in the MO of the Corporation. I stand by this firmly. Associating the Corporation with the Angels in my eyes was obviously only going to serve to compromise the perception it's actual nature - a gathering of scientists and thinkers who strive for peace.

Pragmatism has it's place. I don't believe that it's a fallacy to seek peace through violence. However, the callousness and disregard that Saede has demonstrated in the past isn't excusable. This said, she is trying to repent and you should allow respect for that fact. Whether you can find that in you or not, I do not mind.

However, I do mind if you hold her this against the Corporation, which has seen huge reformations and changes in membership since Saede's Angel involvement. This is the kind of willful ignorance and a lack of compassion such as that which causes many of my brothers to take up arms and kill their fellow man simply because he wears the mantle of Amarr.

We are more than the past actions of only some of those who have worn our name. But a child could grasp that. I hope for your sake that you are able to.

My apologies for the long-winded off topic post. I hope that this settles the issue.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Anneka Tong
B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm
#30 - 2013-02-22 16:09:01 UTC
oh no! not Leopold!
Lucius Vindictus
Arachnos
#31 - 2013-02-22 16:55:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucius Vindictus
Malcolm Khross wrote:
A malfeasant "Holder" being held to account by a Republic Court of Law.

Imperial loyalists concurring with the guilt and surrendering said "Holder."

Interesting times.


I agree that the way this all went down is rather irregular. But it is not Republic Law that is being enforced here. A representative of the Republic has openly stated that they have nothing to do with this "court". The proceedings and resulting verdict seem to be in the hands a never heard of Shandian Iu clan and represented by capsuleers fresh out of the Republic University. It would have made more sense to me to consider the words of the caseworker at the Republic Justice Department and take the case before the Directive Enforcement Department.

That way we would have had a verdict with more credibility than this farce.
Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#32 - 2013-02-22 17:01:00 UTC
Halete wrote:
Words.


Your insipid backpeddling is duly noted.

We've seen your associates in Curse taking advantage of the Cartels hospitality, and as your previous positive orientation towards the Cartel we have spared you the common courtesy of non-aggression even without officially agreed standings. However, your statement makes it very clear to us where you stand with the Cartel. As such if we come across you or your associates in Curse from now on, we will hunt you down.

As for Caine. We haven't seen very often eye to eye, but I am certain that if he remains true in his loyalties to the Angel Cartel this farce will be nothing more than inconvenience down the line. If not, well, then he's chosen... Poorly.

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed

Bloody Ganesh
Hated Blood
#33 - 2013-02-22 17:07:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Ganesh
Vincent Pryce wrote:
Halete wrote:
Words.


Your insipid backpeddling is duly noted.

We've seen your associates in Curse taking advantage of the Cartels hospitality, and as your previous positive orientation towards the Cartel we have spared you the common courtesy of non-aggression even without officially agreed standings. However, your statement makes it very clear to us where you stand with the Cartel. As such if we come across you or your associates in Curse from now on, we will hunt you down.

As for Caine. We haven't seen very often eye to eye, but I am certain that if he remains true in his loyalties to the Angel Cartel this farce will be nothing more than inconvenience down the line. If not, well, then he's chosen... Poorly.


In short: Steer clear from Curse, or we're gonna have to light some candles up around here.

I find it so funny most of you judge others solely on your own beliefs and are intolerant to the point of not taking other's points of view or own beliefs.
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#34 - 2013-02-22 17:25:53 UTC
I'm afraid you may have to join the waiting list for people who wish to kill me. If you'd just take a number we'll be with you when we can. If you catch me in Curse its my own fault that I've allowed myself to be caught and I likely deserve to lose a ship over it. Have fun with that though.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-02-22 18:10:05 UTC
Vincent Pryce wrote:


Your insipid backpeddling is duly noted.


Made me giggle. It's rare I giggle.

My stance on the Cartel hasn't changed, so I find it funny I'm being accused of backpedaling. Obviously reading isn't one of your strong suits so I'll spell it out for you; the Cartel is a temporary convenience. They're also dying out. Their time will come, but until then I hope that they can at least wound the fledgling Republic. This is, and has been my opinion of the Angels since my days living in Molden Heath.

The Angels were never anything more to me than puppets. I just enjoy watching how the Dominations make them dance.

If this upsets you by all means, tear me limb from limb, ravage me, decorate yourself with my carcass. You'll change nothing.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2013-02-22 20:53:33 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
Or that he may have forked into several copies of himself before handing this one to justice.


Since this is strongly prohibited, CONCORD would already have revoked his pod pilot license for long.

Amongst other more worrying things.
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-02-23 01:27:46 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Sepherim wrote:
Or that he may have forked into several copies of himself before handing this one to justice.


Since this is strongly prohibited, CONCORD would already have revoked his pod pilot license for long.

Amongst other more worrying things.


If they had found out, indeed.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#38 - 2013-02-25 21:39:25 UTC
Good thing your security is excellent huh? Good thing right? Right guys? What's that? He broke out to attend a party?

Anyone who did not predict this outcome was not thinking clearly. The only way Caine is going to be contained is with all his clones deactivated and a bullet to the brain.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-02-25 21:59:41 UTC
You're really hot when you're making death threats. Blink

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#40 - 2013-02-26 10:38:18 UTC
In my defense, it was a pretty good party.

Death threat is a bit of a harsh term, don't you think? 'Frustrated rant' would be much more precise.

I would hereby like to thank all good souls that visited me during my incarceration and minmatar people for having security standards of a kindergarten class overseer; allowing an unarmed, chained down and harmless individual like myself to walk out of their little 'facility'.

Speaking of which, I'm sure they're still going through all the bureaucracy loopholes to file a proper report. If you ladies need me, I'll be at the Ivory Tower. Might be hosting some kind of a gala there soon actually. I'll keep you updated.

Kindest regards,
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc

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