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We have to pay through Nexon from next April. Question from a "Japan based player"

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Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-27 06:52:02 UTC
NOTE : This post has nothing to do with the majority of EVE players.

Thanks CCP for the rather disappointing Email (scroll down for English text). It has finally been revealed that we "Japan based players (anyone living in Japan)" are forced to pay through Nexon using Nexon points. Any other paying methods will be denied from next April. So, how much is it going to be ? The Email says nothing about the actual price and it worries me a lot.

Last time I bought the 6 month subscription, it was approximately Y956 per month (6 month subscription $71.7 * Y80 / 6 months, "Y" for yen). Since most Korean MMO companies tend to charge Japanese customers around Y3,000 per month (Linage, AION, TERA, etc. which is extremely expensive compared to most Japanese subscription style MMOs), I guess we must be prepared for paying something like $40 per month from next April ? And in that case, for the existing "Japan based players" who are happy with EVE just the way it currently is, that extra Y2,000 or so is going to be nothing but an enforced donation to Nexon since we have never wanted any Nexon ID nor Nexon points, Do they have anything else to offer? No.

And if its really going to be Y3,000 per month, you might as well add (only for "Japan based players" of course :p) something like this or this to NeX store, since I'm quite sure that the current Incarna avatars aren't f***y enough to attract the new coming Y3,000 paying Nexon friendly so called "moe pig" Japanese players who are accustomed to those kind of price tags.

Well, I guess it's Nexon and not CCP that decides the actual price but who cares. I hope this enforcement brings something good enough with it to make up for the massive disappointment and the feeling of unreliability the Japanese EVE player community is currently experiencing.

Excuse me for any grammatical errors.
Nemesis Factor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-10-27 07:00:38 UTC
How can CCP require you to pay through Nexon? Does Nexon distribute the Japanese localized client, can CCP not distribute the JP client? If they haven't quoted you a solid price yet, perhaps CCP is telling them how much they can charge, and rather than adding in their margins to the top of the price, they have a contract with CCP to get so much per subscription. No doubt Nexon gauging you with subscription prices would lower CCP's revenue and their contract would be terminated.

At least you are not personally restricted by this correct? It appears at least you can use the English client well enough.
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated
#3 - 2011-10-27 07:09:51 UTC
Can't you just use PLEX to add gametime? Idea

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Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-10-27 07:19:18 UTC
Nemesis Factor wrote:
How can CCP require you to pay through Nexon? Does Nexon distribute the Japanese localized client, can CCP not distribute the JP client? If they haven't quoted you a solid price yet, perhaps CCP is telling them how much they can charge, and rather than adding in their margins to the top of the price, they have a contract with CCP to get so much per subscription. No doubt Nexon gauging you with subscription prices would lower CCP's revenue and their contract would be terminated.

At least you are not personally restricted by this correct? It appears at least you can use the English client well enough.


Exactly how they can do this, I do not know but It seems when we access CCPs payment form, if we appear to be "Japan-based" (by IP may be ?), we are forced to jump to Nexons billing system or something.

Oh, and btw, the doraemon avatar isnt my alt. This Nexon thing is currently the hottest subject among the Japanese so it seems we have just posted about the same thing at the same time.
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-27 07:22:47 UTC
Ranka Mei wrote:
Can't you just use PLEX to add gametime? Idea


They say we can. But that's not the issue.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2011-10-27 09:23:11 UTC
Nemesis Factor wrote:
How can CCP require you to pay through Nexon? Does Nexon distribute the Japanese localized client, can CCP not distribute the JP client? If they haven't quoted you a solid price yet, perhaps CCP is telling them how much they can charge, and rather than adding in their margins to the top of the price, they have a contract with CCP to get so much per subscription. No doubt Nexon gauging you with subscription prices would lower CCP's revenue and their contract would be terminated.

At least you are not personally restricted by this correct? It appears at least you can use the English client well enough.



This, why not buy timecards online, or plex or whatever. CCP can't forbid you to do that can they?
Being forced through ONE way to buy subs if your allready subs is WRONG. It would make me stop playing (if I where japanese) tbh.

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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2011-10-27 09:23:19 UTC
stupid forums

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Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated
#8 - 2011-10-27 09:29:57 UTC
Texty wrote:
Ranka Mei wrote:
Can't you just use PLEX to add gametime? Idea


They say we can. But that's not the issue.


Then I guess I don't understand your issue. You can buy PLEXes from any official dealer, and then apply those PLEXes towards gametime. So, way I see it, you're not forced to pay thru Nexon at all.

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Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-10-27 09:35:21 UTC
Its :fearless: to bend over to Nexon apparently.

Hopefully this gets fixed.
Goodwill George
For a fistful of Veldspar
#10 - 2011-10-27 09:39:28 UTC
Ranka Mei wrote:

Then I guess I don't understand your issue. You can buy PLEXes from any official dealer, and then apply those PLEXes towards gametime. So, way I see it, you're not forced to pay thru Nexon at all.


Nexon doesn't have a very good reputation, and I'd imagine quite a few players would be dislike paying their subs through them. While this seems like a non-issue for us outsiders, I can guarantee there'd be a lot of rage if similar restrictions were placed on EU/US players.
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated
#11 - 2011-10-27 10:10:27 UTC
Goodwill George wrote:
Ranka Mei wrote:

Then I guess I don't understand your issue. You can buy PLEXes from any official dealer, and then apply those PLEXes towards gametime. So, way I see it, you're not forced to pay thru Nexon at all.

Nexon doesn't have a very good reputation, and I'd imagine quite a few players would be dislike paying their subs through them. While this seems like a non-issue for us outsiders, I can guarantee there'd be a lot of rage if similar restrictions were placed on EU/US players.

I dunno, maybe it's a language barrier or something, but I keep telling all y'all: you don't need to pay subs thru Nexon if you don't want to.

I'm a little surprised they don't let you guys pay with your credit cards, but, other than that, there's an easy way around it.

-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP

Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-10-27 10:41:39 UTC
Ranka Mei wrote:
Texty wrote:
Ranka Mei wrote:
Can't you just use PLEX to add gametime? Idea


They say we can. But that's not the issue.


Then I guess I don't understand your issue. You can buy PLEXes from any official dealer, and then apply those PLEXes towards gametime. So, way I see it, you're not forced to pay thru Nexon at all.


You can buy PLEX some place other than CCP? The Email says buying PLEX from CCP must be done using Nexon points so if It's possible to buy them somewhere else, that's good news although PLEXes and GTCs are expensive than long term subscriptions.

How ever, the point is, I was perfectly happy with my subscription (under Y900 / month) and would like to let CCP know that I'm upset that I have to pay either Y1,400 / month (PLEX, ETC) or something like Y3,000 / month (Nexon? this one is just a guess) from next April for practically no reason other than the fact that I live in Japan, and would like to know actually how much Nexon is going to charge us.
JamesCLK
#13 - 2011-10-27 10:49:43 UTC
You should be able to buy GTCs from any authorised retailer online (Shattered Crystal is one I know of), these can then be converted to PLEX ingame, which can in turn be used for your gametime (as you know), or sold on the market for ISK.

GTCs arent sold through CCP directly, so it would hopefully circumvent paying Nexon.

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Tommy Laughingface
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-27 11:07:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tommy Laughingface
If any Japanese could actually come out of their caves and buy GTC or PLEX from 3rd Party "English" websites, EVE would have been already flooded with Japanese.

Shattered Crystal for one, called me in Japan by their English phone call verifying my country of residence.... do you really think, DO YOU REALLY THINK any Japanese would be brave enough to hold such "English" phone call for longer than 3 seconds???????????



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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2011-10-27 11:09:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
JamesCLK wrote:
You should be able to buy GTCs from any authorised retailer online (Shattered Crystal is one I know of), these can then be converted to PLEX ingame, which can in turn be used for your gametime (as you know), or sold on the market for ISK.

GTCs arent sold through CCP directly, so it would hopefully circumvent paying Nexon.


Aye, I have bought gametime through shattered crystal before, they do do a check on where you live though, through the phone no less. It was a little weird explaining to an American what my nearest hospital, highway and train station was (Belgium).

So I guess they do have some restrictions on what to sell to whom... The "clarification" regarding the cooperation with that Japanese company that is a sticky on those forums should be published.

I would thing that the whole move though a subsidiary in Japan is to encourage new subs that will be supported with a native japanese speaking team of GM and community reps, not scare away already subbed players.

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Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#16 - 2011-10-27 11:18:12 UTC
I haven't bought GTCs from Battleclinic in a long time, but back in the day, they didn't ask for phone confirmation. Their website implies the most you will get is an automated call to confirm your phone number is valid.

It used to be significantly cheaper to buy GTCs in dollars than paying a sub in euros, but I think it's not so much now.

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Myxx
The Scope
#17 - 2011-10-27 11:19:47 UTC
seriously, thats ****** up. my sympathies to you. use a proxy IP for doing billing stuff?
Tommy Laughingface
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-10-27 11:22:15 UTC
Buying GTC from Battleclinic is currently considered in 2ch Japanese forum.
But we fear NEXON got us from both sides, they might block the use of GTC from Japan.
If they did.... I might be gone as well....
Tommy Laughingface
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-10-27 11:24:36 UTC
Myxx wrote:
seriously, thats ****** up. my sympathies to you. use a proxy IP for doing billing stuff?

Thank you for noting our trouble and your sympathy.
I think CCP will check your billing information and if your current residence is Japan, regardless of IP, they will direct you to the NEXON site? (perhaps)
And faking a billing address (by proxy or in your address information) is a bad action.
Myxx
The Scope
#20 - 2011-10-27 11:27:11 UTC
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
Myxx wrote:
seriously, thats ****** up. my sympathies to you. use a proxy IP for doing billing stuff?

Thank you for noting our trouble and your sympathy.
I think CCP will check your billing information and if your current residence is Japan, regardless of IP, they will direct you to the NEXON site? (perhaps)
And faking a billing address (by proxy or in your address information) is a bad action.


oh, would they do that and not just your IP? Thats even worse.
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