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Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#21 - 2013-02-16 09:03:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Chi'Nane T'Kal
Calapine wrote:
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:


DPS in ships > frigate ?


For the heck of it I googled 'Hurricane pvp newbie fit' and imported it into a blank evemon character.

Result: 5 days 4 hours. That includes all the basics: MWD, point, 2x LSE, rigs, DCU, Gryos, TEs and 2 utility neuts. Of course some support skills are needed, but all in all it still lands squarely below 1 month training time.


Emphasys on DPS, not dps.

For the heck of it, I just put said hurricane with lvl 4 gunnery skills, T2 autocannon and BC 4 into EVEmon and ended up with 48d with ideal mapping. NO fitting or defensive skills whatsoever.

With only a subset of the skills given in the OP (minimum requirements for fitting a shield buffer and your 2 neuts, a bit of navigation, armor and struc bonus), and only at 4 I end up with 71 days while burning a bonus remap, 79 days when using per10/int4 for the whole plan.


So while the pure ship/weapon selection in this case MIGHT barely keep my friends within tolerance span for deciding if they like the game, the complete set - and again we're talking about the bare minimum I'd deem acceptable and I'm not even a pro PvPer - would certainly deter them from even trying.
Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
#22 - 2013-02-16 09:35:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Calapine
Forum ate post and now no time to re-write. Will edit later. Evil

Pain is short, and joy is eternal.

Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#23 - 2013-02-16 09:44:25 UTC
Calapine wrote:
Forum ate post and now no time to re-write. Will edit later. Evil


Yeah, it's pretty bad right now. Backing up the draft doesn't really work either.
However, what worked for me a couple times now was copying the text from the window opened by the draft link and pasting it into the editing window manually.
Whang'Lo
Cosmically Irrelevant
#24 - 2013-02-16 10:18:16 UTC
Another possibility for the savy noob.

Make a whole crap ton of Isk and buy a character from the bazaar.

I never did that, but I was thinking about it.

I had over a billion Isk in the first couple of months of playing.

[u]A Paranoid is just someone with all the facts - William Burroughs[/u]

Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#25 - 2013-02-16 10:22:53 UTC
Whang'Lo wrote:
Another possibility for the savy noob.

Make a whole crap ton of Isk and buy a character from the bazaar.

I never did that, but I was thinking about it.

I had over a billion Isk in the first couple of months of playing.



That's really only an option if you could change name and appearance.
Thur Barbek
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-02-17 10:43:29 UTC
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:

Emphasys on DPS, not dps.

For the heck of it, I just put said hurricane with lvl 4 gunnery skills, T2 autocannon and BC 4 into EVEmon and ended up with 48d with ideal mapping. NO fitting or defensive skills whatsoever.

With only a subset of the skills given in the OP (minimum requirements for fitting a shield buffer and your 2 neuts, a bit of navigation, armor and struc bonus), and only at 4 I end up with 71 days while burning a bonus remap, 79 days when using per10/int4 for the whole plan.


So while the pure ship/weapon selection in this case MIGHT barely keep my friends within tolerance span for deciding if they like the game, the complete set - and again we're talking about the bare minimum I'd deem acceptable and I'm not even a pro PvPer - would certainly deter them from even trying.


From a brand new character, set a training plan with what you mentioned except some gun support at 3 and not t2 guns. Most core skills and BC are at 4. 22.5 days to fly this (with no implants): http://i.imgur.com/XRTUncr.png (Note that the gun skills are shown at lvls 3/4). Also The cap booster is if the guy wants to fit neuts, they didn't fit with crap powergrid skills.

~50k ehp, 240 dps with NO drones. Also if the guy aims for AWU or gets a pg implant/better pg skills/or get a pg rig he can easily fit 2 med neuts as well. Add in a week to get 5 basic drones and you get another 30ish dps from t1 warriors Seems decent for 1 month. Not sure what you want from an almost brand new character.
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#27 - 2013-02-17 12:05:28 UTC
Thur Barbek wrote:

From a brand new character, set a training plan with what you mentioned except some gun support at 3 and not t2 guns. Most core skills and BC are at 4. 22.5 days to fly this (with no implants): http://i.imgur.com/XRTUncr.png


I'm sure Sonnenlegion (the OP's corp, btw) would be absolutely thrilled to fly with a guy having your arty fit.

So basically you're saying that if you lower requirements below my bare minimum, training times will be shorter. You find me somewhat unsurprised.
Morguetheft
Mercury Arms Inc.
#28 - 2013-02-18 22:04:58 UTC
What i see when i read these forums ...is all the old players bitching about us newer players wanting some freaking shorter queues..because they had to train those ridiculous times..wtf its like a broken record an the dudes right it takes all those skills to be up to par..I for one play a game to enjoy it not fill like i'm pulling teeth or trying to dig out a splinter with a butter knife..I Love Eves Graphics/pvp but the rest is blah
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#29 - 2013-02-21 11:49:12 UTC
Morguetheft wrote:
What i see when i read these forums ...is all the old players bitching about us newer players wanting some freaking shorter queues..because they had to train those ridiculous times..wtf its like a broken record an the dudes right it takes all those skills to be up to par..I for one play a game to enjoy it not fill like i'm pulling teeth or trying to dig out a splinter with a butter knife..I Love Eves Graphics/pvp but the rest is blah


I wonder if CCP is fully aware how deterring the SP system is for people considering to start a career in Eve. So far I got NONE of my friends into Eve and those guys checked out almost all the major MMOs.

I like the SP system in general, there should just be a bigger catch up mechanism than a 35 day minor boost to some stats - if you even activated your account in the right way to get that.

@CCP:
Do you guys actually have a working mechanism to tell disguised ALT accounts apart from actual new player accounts?
What are the statistics on new player retention?
Ze4K DK
Luxury Yacht Social Club
#30 - 2013-02-21 20:17:03 UTC
Morguetheft wrote:
Love Eves Graphics/pvp but the rest is blah


Hahahaha... You cant be serious... Right?
Morguetheft
Mercury Arms Inc.
#31 - 2013-02-22 19:42:57 UTC
I'm not kidding I play a game for entertainment...other wise whats the point right?? I put on some Tunes because the in game music has no beat..LOL Null sounds like whales in death throws..randomly..I enjoy the explosions..etc...Fleets are nice but could be made more efficient..If the Fleet widow seen some love..
Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-02-23 11:51:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Roseline Penshar
for a new player i guess the skill system is still ok, i myself played this game only 45 days and still can't ride most ship. but that's because i'm not really specialized at anything yet, if i want to specialized it from the start of play i guess you don't need a lot of time to be decent.

new player can't beat veteran player in 1 v 1, bear with it they spend a lot of time playing this game. it's not funny you can be destroyed by 1 month old player when you already played eve for 5 years on 1 v 1 duel. if you want to kill that 5 years old player bring more of your friend that's conclude everything, 100 new player vs 1 old player i think that new players have a chance.

edit : this game is for a patience people, that's what my friend told me when invited me to play it. so i being patience with it and what i get is a game that i can enjoy without anyone can order me what i want to do
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