EVE General Discussion

There has been a lot of complaining about nulsec and sov warfare recently and I was thinking about what is the real underlying problem.

Obviously at the top level one problem is that shooting a structures with millions of ehp is boring. So why do those structures have so many ehp? To keep blobs of dreads or titans from insta popping them.

Another complaint is that force projection is too fast and efficient which allows a relatively small number of toons to defend vast swaths of territory. That is a result of 3 things, POS jump bridge networks, titan bridges and cap ship jump capability.

Third is that new entrants to null who attempt to take sov are simply squashed flat by a blob of cap ships from whatever alliance feels they own the area that they simply cannot match.

What do all these things have in common? Capital ships.

So it seems that many of the problems of nullsec can be traced to the introduction and support of capital ships.

Do cap ships provide positive benefits that offset these negatives? They provide endgame content for players, i.e. training for cap ships is something players do after having fully trained battleships and lower. They provide huge sinks for minerals and various other aspects of the manufacturing business.

Those positives don't seem, to me, to out weight the negative effects on the game. So why not devise other ways to consume minerals and give something else for veteran players to train for and get rid of cap ships completely?

tl;dr version: cap ships are behind much of what is claimed to be wrong in nullsec so why not get rid of them?

If you removed capital ships from the game today, the only thing it would do is make logistics in null sec hell.

You would still have force projection at least to the edge of your own territory via jump bridges.

There would still be huge blobs, new comers to null sec would still be squashed.




Do you want to know the real problem with nullsec?

The "Problem" is that some alliance leaders decided they were going to team up, this means that the only people they have left to fight is the new comers.

This is further complicated by the fact that there is no reason to move in nullsec, unlike in the real world resources in null sec are unlimited.

Need more raw materials? No need to have to pillage a neighboring region because you have infinite amounts in if in your few systems.

Want the best rats? No need to roam or pillage for the best ones, because again, you have an unlimited amount of rats in your own systems.


Why do people invade and conquer?

1. Religious Regions (Hulkageddon, Burn jita)

2. Resources (right now the only resource worth invading for is tech moons)

3. Space, (due to station/unlimited resources there isn't' any real reason to "spread out" very far in null sec.


Due to these reasons, your proposed changes will have no large impact on 0.0 Mechanics, and nothing short of a complete revamp of some of the core principles of eve will have any effect on whats listed above.

This is ofcourse because there isn't any real negative impact of blueing up the entirety of EVE.

Threads on nullsec in GD have a track record for ending really well...

Posting in stealth 'EVE was a better game before capitals were introduced' thread and +1'ing OP

Capital ships are just fine, there just aren't enough different types to allow for more interesting fleet comp possibilities.
Add a couple differently composed dreadnaughts to each racial line, assault carriers, and a couple distinctly specialized supercap types and things would become much more interesting.

I heard that TEST slept with CFC's girlfriend and may or may not be the father of her child. Also TEST called CFC a really bad name once. Add some Tequila, and watch nullsec become more fun.

Girls Girls, youre both pretty.

When were you last in null?

I don't make an habit of assuming, so I went with what is in the OP.

And as for worth the attackers time? When most of the universe is blue, and you have an opportunity to fight an unprepared foe who is threatening your territory.

The whole of the alliance will be on your doorstep in 20 minutes, even without jump bridges.

What difference does capital ships make? You can buy all the supers/carriers you want.

Hell you could probably pay the alliance who you want to invade for them to build them for you.

How great would it be to eve a wormhole system akin to the eve gate that connected to the Chinese shard of eve. Just imagine all the hell that would ensue, we may even stop hating on the russians so much lol.

*sighs*

Would be fun.