Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Crimeo - thanks for keeping me on my own thread and clarifying my own thoughts. The rats certainly need to go back to college for a while.

Tommassino - I have checked out the legion - most posts suggest a cov-op legion is a very expensive fail compared to a well fitted Pilgrim.

Further thought - if im caught in a gate camp and use my neuts in defence, are the gate guns going to join in with the 30 fat guys to char my roasted remains? Theoretical question of course.

OP is Overheating his Butthurt modual.. its about to burn out with no nanite repair paste :P

Seranova - I guess your heroic 10 man pod kill for 0.0100 or the highly stressful 52 man T3 kill you endured means that we live in different parts of Eve. Surely you can see its worth getting an overheated butt to try and preserve the mechanics that will let me attempt another solo T3 kill for 32.4905 points........ by the way, did I mention my T3 solo kill for 32.4905 ?

We get our thrills different ways but I would still back you if your pilot style and fun was under threat.

Anyways,

ive been told that the the AI change were 'player requested' (post 10) Explorers, ratters and mission runners were getting hit 'at both ends' and so CCP have made it easier to encourage these people into lower security.

Perhaps this is just me being thick but wouldn't the following have worked even better and with less fall out.


1 . All explorers, ratters , plexers and mission runners to watch local and GTFO if not sure.

2. Make CCP really happy and team up with another player riding shotgun - ie team play

Why make a profound ( needless?) change to the AI to satisfy a few purists or real carebears? it ends up having repercussions and can screw people like me who've always accepted the 'rules'. Believe me - this is my first whine since 2010.

Someone truly has urinated in the sandbox as the earlier post says.

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"when the **** hits the fan it's rarely evenly distributed"

More problems from local's free intel....
Local needs to die

Then you can wait for the rats to die and kill the missioner, without worrying he'll get scared and run off when he sees you in local.



As far as the rats... you need a pretty advanced ai to be able to tell if that 2nd ship that showed up is there to help the ship they are aggroing, or hurt them.
Even if you show up to kill their target, they still consider you hostile.
So, they want both of you dead...

In that case, the proper thing for the rats to do, is to disengage, and then attack the winner. Of course, this would take pretty advanced ai, and it gives you essentially the same effect as waiting for the drake to clear the site, and then attack... actually, that would be easier for you, as you won't have potentially scramming rats coming after you as soon as you are victorious.

No, rats don't just want kills for the sake of kills. YOU might want that as a capsuleer, but that's because you're immortal. A rat only has one life to lose, and the rat's number one priority should be to protect that life. Their number TWO priority is to make money (which does not necessarily mean hitting soft targets, if they are poor soft targets).

They may or may not be brave enough to stand their groud even in the face of certain death. That's an issue of culture, and the culture of rats is not my decision. However, they would still always make choices in such a way that their chances of living through the day were maximized, even if they are brave. And the clear and obvious choice would be to fight the drake if they wanted to stay alive.

Drake is the only one doing them damage, AND it is the tougher target, AND it is weakened and killable, AND the other target will present no clear and present threat after the drake is dead. Every single strategic detail points to attacking the drake if they wish to stay alive.

Plus, attacking the drake also gives them the most chance of plunder, their secondary goal. It will almost certainly die, and then the pirates have a narrow window of opportunity to attack the pilgrim and attempt to wipe it out before it steals the loot.



If you want smarter AI, then any of the following things would be much smarter changes on the part of the AI than what happened here:

1) Running away sometimes
2) If a major ship is about to die, rats should swoop in and try to pick up the loot first, and they should be coded so that they do in fact transfer loot to their holds if they can get there first.
3) If a ship is about to die, like the drake, then some of the pirates could disengage early (however many are not needed to imminently finish it off) and begin attacking new targets or run for the loot.

etc.

But fighting the guy who is helping you is most definitely not one that list.


Not at all... if the guy is using negative hurtful mods like neuts, nos, etc, then he's hurting. If he's using remote reppers, then he's helping... Not too complicated. In fact, the game already clearly distinguishes between these things in crimewatch: if you remote rep a criminal then you are aiding them and get their flag. If you neut a criminal, you are fine, for example.


I'm sure they do. And I'd like my own castle. None of that has to do with the correct tactical decision. Wanting both of them dead is not a valid explanation for shooting either of them. Because shooting the pilgrim is a surefire way to make sure that either zero or one of them dies, while shooting the drake has a significant chance of having both of them die, AND the juicier, richer target is killed even if only one dies (pirates care about plunder more than shipcounts)

No matter what, there is a change to AI, doubtful this will ever get changed back.

What's true is that it has effected a small community of players such as the Op that enjoyed a specific game play experience.
This game play experience no longer exists.

It was fun and some people enjoyed it, no matter of how people feel it isnt "proper PVP".

I respect the Ops statement and feelings.
My life and enjoyment from Eve are/were very similar.
Not anymore though.

The changes introduced do not work on thier own. It has balanced the game in favour of the PVE'r.
The NPC AI needs additional development and other changes need to be introduced which rebalances the game.

Perhaps local removal is the answer.
I read about Intel tools being changed for the game that Eve is now or is slowly becoming to be better suited to use in these types of game experiences within CSM minutes some time ago.

What is true is that the Solo experience concerning PVP did exist in some forms before Retribution.
With the AI changes most have now gone.

There is no such thing as a fair fight in Eve.

It is a shame that some aspects of enjoyable game play have been removed but at the same time you need to relaise that you/I are the minority. Solo players will not ever have a say in regards to what changes will or wont be introduced in Eve and we will always have to roll with the punches.

I wish you luck dude and I hope you find ways to work with the changes or something new to fill the void.

Good luck.

so i think this is the third whining AI post today.
So basically what ur saying is that a pilgrim without the help from rats dps can`t take a drake down...omg what a big surprise... guess what recon ships where not meant to take on battle cruises.
get another ship and try again...and get a friend to....stop being lazy and adapt.
The new Ai targets and kills my drone u know....but i didn't go crying on the forum...i had to adapt and change my tactics and fittings to counter this.

While a practical approach, it requires a ship capable of beating the drake.

The implied tactics used here are for ships not capable of this, but needing to rely on the rats unintended help for a kill.

I chose to rage quit although I have 25bil in liquid assets but no idea what to do with it...

Perhaps I could try giving it away in Jita local....

Well this is one of at least 3 topics on the same subject.
I'm willing to bet most won't come here and complain, probably just quit the game they used to love rather than be trolled by a bunch of carebears.

Here's hoping that CCP is paying attention.