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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#141 - 2013-02-19 17:35:19 UTC
I looked at the same websites and saw that numbers have remained relatively flat while there has been a huge upswing in kills the last couple of months since Retribution came out (which was before we conquered all of the Caldari systems). Note that December kills for both corporations skyrocketed.

Or, one could skew the argument to fit his version of reality like you just did. Your choice.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#142 - 2013-02-19 17:58:04 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
I looked at the same websites and saw that numbers have remained relatively flat while there has been a huge upswing in kills the last couple of months since Retribution came out (which was before we conquered all of the Caldari systems). Note that December kills for both corporations skyrocketed.

Or, one could skew the argument to fit his version of reality like you just did. Your choice.


Well you actually made a good argument based on data. Yes the data suggests that whatever happened in retribution lead to an increase in pvp.

Now the tier system changed October 22nd. So that didn't really lead to this upswing in pvp actually it seemed to bring a pretty bad downswing.

What all changed in retribution that could explain the increase in pvp:

1) gcc went away.

2) Did the plex rats finally get nerfed or did that happen earlier/later?

What other changes were there?

Yes Gallente decided to push for a sov medal. But that push ended on jan 11th. When we looked at the pvp per player statistics we saw that a week after that push gave the gallente considerably more kills than january's or December's monthly average. And indeed February seems much better.

Since the kills went up after the sov push ended and no other mechanics changed it seems the sov push had a negative impact on kills per player.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#143 - 2013-02-19 18:06:02 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Cearain wrote:
Since the kills went up after the sov push ended and no other mechanics changed it seems the sov push had a negative impact on kills per player.
Yes it sucks that the Caldari decided to capitulate and not fight, and it sucks that the Gallente decided to dominate the theater instead of trying to get fights. Not a FW mechanics problem; it's a human nature problem.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#144 - 2013-02-19 18:31:41 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Since the kills went up after the sov push ended and no other mechanics changed it seems the sov push had a negative impact on kills per player.
Yes it sucks that the Caldari decided to capitulate and not fight, and it sucks that the Gallente decided to dominate the theater instead of trying to get fights. Not a FW mechanics problem; it's a human nature problem.



Did human nature change after january 11th 2013?

Or did gallente stop focusing on sov mechanics (which favor pve) and get back to pvp?

Or something else??

Really I am just glad you are actually looking at the data.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#145 - 2013-02-19 18:35:55 UTC
Cearain wrote:
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Gallente achieved their goal and decided to get fights rather than dominate. Caldari decided to enter the FW occupancy war again.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#146 - 2013-02-21 14:44:05 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
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Gallente achieved their goal and decided to get fights rather than dominate. Caldari decided to enter the FW occupancy war again.



In other words you can either do the sov "war" thing, or you can pvp. But if you do the sov "war" as best as you can expect your pvp to take a significant hit.

Because its been proven the best way to gain sov is to run multiple alts and avoid pvp. Working as intended?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Zoe Panala
Blobcats
#147 - 2013-02-21 14:56:26 UTC
praznimrak wrote:
THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer.......

Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control.

There are hordes of those now,way more than real players.

Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak????????????????

Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll.

Thx.
Praz


No.

Boost cloaks, nerf whiners. Cov ops cloak for every ship if they can manage to get enough cpu!
Endrysk
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#148 - 2013-02-21 20:20:49 UTC
Anyone else think the button in FW plexes should be a disruptor bubble?
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#149 - 2013-02-21 20:26:01 UTC
******* genius, me likey

Endrysk wrote:
Anyone else think the button in FW plexes should be a disruptor bubble?

nom nom
ALUCARD 1208
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#150 - 2013-02-24 04:41:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Cearain wrote:



I wouldnt trade my killboard for yours which is full of instalock non-fight kills like this:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18839539

If I just wanted kills I would get my booster alts like you and gate camp like crazy. I would also get lots of sensor boosters like you:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18468956

So I could collect lots of non-fight killmails.




Non fights guess u never heard of cockbag thrasher fleets way to make urself look dumb over and over again.

also the first post im just wondering how u get insta lock ruppies and omens?

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Zoe Panala
Blobcats
#151 - 2013-02-25 00:34:22 UTC
Endrysk wrote:
Anyone else think the button in FW plexes should be a disruptor bubble?


After sentry guns spawn like CONCORD, making it n DPS per ship you have and they become large disruptor bubbles only affecting criminals.