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CCP - Attack Battlecruiser overview issue

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#61 - 2013-02-21 14:11:00 UTC
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BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#62 - 2013-02-21 14:11:52 UTC
There! I changed the OP title. Instead of 'exploit' I changed it to 'Issue'.

There are many who believe the word 'exploit' fits for this overview setting issue. There are others who have been upset by my use of the word and have caused this thread to be derailed from it's original course and intent. So I changed it because I understand their definition of the word and the negative connotations it has to them.

I am still asking CCP to have the Attack battlecruiser and blockade runner to be checked in the overview settings just as they had the combat battlecruiser checked. That is what this thread was supposed to be about.

Next time someone does not like the way a poster uses a word they have an issue with I suggest they go about telling that person in a helpful manner as flaming them in a sarcastic way usually provokes instead of promotes a change.




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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#63 - 2013-02-21 14:12:34 UTC
Dante Uisen wrote:
To exploit just means you advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability, it could be a change to the overview configuration or the technetium bottleneck it don't really matter.
…except that neither of those qualify as exploits for obvious reasons.
Daniel Whateley
#64 - 2013-02-21 14:15:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Dante Uisen wrote:
To exploit just means you advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability, it could be a change to the overview configuration or the technetium bottleneck it don't really matter.
…except that neither of those qualify as exploits for obvious reasons.



Please explain why not ?
Kate stark
#65 - 2013-02-21 14:16:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Kate stark
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
They did tell us.


nope... we went through the patch notes. not one word. I would gladly love to see where they told us :)


they did tell you, it was in at least one of the dev blogs.

edit: holy tortilla chips, how did this even get to 4 pages?

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#66 - 2013-02-21 14:17:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Dante Uisen wrote:
To exploit just means you advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability, it could be a change to the overview configuration or the technetium bottleneck it don't really matter.
…except that neither of those qualify as exploits for obvious reasons.



... right there. Sarcasm. What obvious reasons? Instead of posting that why didn't you state those reasons? You say you like to teach, but you don't. You troll and flame. It's too bad that all of your knowledge of the game can't come out in a positive way.

Those 'obvious reasons' to you are not obvious to all of us. That does not mean we are dumb, it just means we don't know something but still deserve to be treated with respect if you are a true poster and not a troller.

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#67 - 2013-02-21 14:18:01 UTC
Daniel Whateley wrote:
Please explain why not ?
Because no bugs, glitches or vulnerabilities are involved.
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-02-21 14:18:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ra Jackson
Arronicus wrote:
I'm still not seeing the exploit here. I'm seeing a minor overview bug that is known, and easily remedied, nothing more.


The bug is as minor or major as the Tier 3 fleet that is engaging you I guess.
"Known" is also a relative term in this context. I was alerted by a corp mate of the, well, let's call it glitch, and only then bothered to checkthe "known issues" thread, aka "look what they have messed up this time". This should not be mandatory after patch procedure tho.

/edit: Tippia, you're really annoying today. Not helpful. Take your boredom at work somewhere else.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#69 - 2013-02-21 14:21:04 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
They did tell us.

nope... we went through the patch notes. not one word. I would gladly love to see where they told us :)


CCP Fozzie wrote:
As a more neutral side effect that is still worth noting: the Combat and Attack Battlecruisers, as well as the Blockade Runners and Deep Space Transports, will now be in separate groups. This means anyone with custom overviews will need to add the new Attack Battlecruiser group and the new Blockade Runner group to their list of groups that show up on the overview. The default overviews will be adjusted automatically.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2482199#post2482199

Also read this post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2642754#post2642754



Your quoting from the forums? This is not notifying all Eve players. It is notifying players on the forums - there is a HUGE difference as not all players go to the forums my friend. Try again.


They told us.

Sorry you weren't paying attention.



Well I say "sorry", of course I actually meant "link your lossmail".

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BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#70 - 2013-02-21 14:22:15 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
They did tell us.


nope... we went through the patch notes. not one word. I would gladly love to see where they told us :)


they did tell you, it was in at least one of the dev blogs.

edit: holy tortilla chips, how did this even get to 4 pages?


Forums. Dev blogs. patch notes.

From all I know people read the patch notes to find out what was in the patch. I believe it should have been in the patch notes.

But even more than that, it was an oversight IMO. I say that because they checked the combat battlecruisers in the overview settings - so that makes me believe that they intended to check the other 2 types of ships that were changed also but missed it.

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-02-21 14:22:39 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:

Yes.. I lost my cute little phantasm to a naga fleet that I never saw. Now everyone say, Awwwww poor Bo! Bear


Why weren't you watching local?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#72 - 2013-02-21 14:24:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
BoSau Hotim wrote:


I am still asking CCP to have the Attack battlecruiser and blockade runner to be checked in the overview settings just as they had the combat battlecruiser checked. That is what this thread was supposed to be about.
They don't have the facility to do it at present. They have stated that they do wish to have new ships checked in the future.

I believe the reason only one was checked and not the other, was that Attack BC was a new entry and therefore a new ship in the database, whereas the Combat BC was merely a name change in the database. You had one, but not the other.

As far as the BR is concerned, it may have needed a fundamental change to allow covert cyno fitting, therefore it became a new ship in the database.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#73 - 2013-02-21 14:25:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
BoSau Hotim wrote:
But even more than that, it was an oversight IMO. I say that because they checked the combat battlecruisers in the overview settings - so that makes me believe that they intended to check the other 2 types of ships that were changed also but missed it.
I haven't checked the XML, but it's far more likely that they did neither of those. They simply overloaded the old typeID with a new one, and then added new IDs for the new types. So the old ID was already present and checked as visible, any newly added ones were not.

e: ^^^ Beaten.
Daniel Whateley
#74 - 2013-02-21 14:27:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Daniel Whateley wrote:
Please explain why not ?
Because no bugs, glitches or vulnerabilities are involved.



He didn't say changes, alterations or fixes though ? this is a change, CCP did tick the combat battlecruiser one... it used to be just "battlecruisers" combat battlecruisers was never there before Cool but ccp left left the assault one unchecked for everyones custom settings What?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#75 - 2013-02-21 14:29:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Daniel Whateley wrote:
He didn't say changes, alterations or fixes though ? this is a change, CCP did tick the combat battlecruiser one... it used to be just "battlecruisers" combat battlecruisers was never there before Cool but ccp left left the assault one unchecked for everyones custom settings What?
…which, again, is not a bug, glitch or vulnerability — thus no exploit. It's just how you have set up your overview.

Also again, they did not tick anything (or leave anything unchecked): they just added a new type ID and left your settings alone.
Kate stark
#76 - 2013-02-21 14:30:39 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
They did tell us.


nope... we went through the patch notes. not one word. I would gladly love to see where they told us :)


they did tell you, it was in at least one of the dev blogs.

edit: holy tortilla chips, how did this even get to 4 pages?


Forums. Dev blogs. patch notes.

From all I know people read the patch notes to find out what was in the patch. I believe it should have been in the patch notes.

But even more than that, it was an oversight IMO. I say that because they checked the combat battlecruisers in the overview settings - so that makes me believe that they intended to check the other 2 types of ships that were changed also but missed it.


*shrug* the patch notes clearly say they separated the two ships out.
also combat battlecruisers being checked just means they renamed "battlecruisers" to combat battlecruisers and didn't check any additional settings because... you had no saved variables for those settings.

it's really not that big of a deal.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Daniel Whateley
#77 - 2013-02-21 14:32:49 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:

Yes.. I lost my cute little phantasm to a naga fleet that I never saw. Now everyone say, Awwwww poor Bo! Bear


Why weren't you watching local?



they all logged in obviously, and when you don't have naga's on your overview they also don't show in your Dscan, so your like woopdy dooo doo doo, no gate flash that's okay, ill stay here a little longer, nothing on dscan ? they mustn't of warped to here then *pop* "huhhh...? X"
Daniel Whateley
#78 - 2013-02-21 14:36:03 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Daniel Whateley wrote:
He didn't say changes, alterations or fixes though ? this is a change, CCP did tick the combat battlecruiser one... it used to be just "battlecruisers" combat battlecruisers was never there before Cool but ccp left left the assault one unchecked for everyones custom settings What?
…which, again, is not a bug, glitch or vulnerability — thus no exploit. It's just how you have set up your overview.

Also again, they did not tick anything (or leave anything unchecked): they just added a new type ID and left your settings alone.



The whole "if you could fly it before you can fly it after the patch thing" if my overview setting showed naga's, nado's, oracle's, and talos's before i expect them to show AFTER.... Everyone Does.... people can exploit that Roll
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#79 - 2013-02-21 14:41:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Daniel Whateley wrote:
The whole "if you could fly it before you can fly it after the patch thing" if my overview setting showed naga's, nado's, oracle's, and talos's before i expect them to show AFTER.... Everyone Does.... people can exploit take advantage of that Roll
…and it's still not an exploit. They can't be held responsible for your not updating your overview settings, now can they? Oh, and they can take advantage of it even without these kind of changes, so it's not really that extraordinary anyway.

In fact, given the calamity historically generated when CCP messed with people's settings between patches, I'd prefer if they stayed the hell away from how I've set up my client. Ugh
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#80 - 2013-02-21 14:42:26 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

They told us.

Sorry you weren't paying attention.



Well I say "sorry", of course I actually meant "link your lossmail".





I already jokingly posted about my phantasm loss... so what? I pvp, I'm used to losses.

...and yes, I and many other people I know were paying attention, very close attention to the patch notes where we should have been given a heads-up IMO. So saying I wasn't paying attention doesn't fly with me. I'm already gearing up for the summer changes.

So we'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that .

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?