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Dev Blog: CSM8 Elections – Schedule and Election Process

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CCP Dolan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2013-02-21 12:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Dolan
CCP Xhagen and I are here to bring you the newest changes to the CSM election processes, CSM White Paper, and Election Schedule. All these details and more can be found here.

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-02-21 12:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Trebor Daehdoow
As mentioned in the devblog, CCP has not settled on the exact STV counting method to be used in the election. This is basically a tradeoff between systems that are simple and ones that are more complex but generate slightly better proportional results.

In all cases, the actual casting of ballots is the same -- you specify one or more candidates, in your order of preference. It's just the counting method (and the reallocation of votes as candidates are elected and eliminated) that changes.

One system that isn't feasible is Schulze-STV. While it is a very good counting method, its computational complexity explodes as the number of candidates and seats goes up. A back-of-the-envelope calculation indicates that a Schulze-STV election with 14 seats and 28 candidates would take over 9 years to compute on a decent PC.

The following links may be useful to those who are interested in suggesting counting systems:

* Wikipedia: Single Transferable Vote
* Wikipedia: Counting single transferable votes
* OpenSTV (Software)

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-02-21 12:16:28 UTC
I look forward to seeing how our team games the system this time around.

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Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-21 12:18:03 UTC
Woohooo :) At last

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Cass Lie
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-02-21 12:19:20 UTC
So wormholers will have a primary after all.
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-02-21 12:22:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Chitsa Jason
Why did the election got moved to the later date? According to this dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3386 CSM8 should take office April 3rd 2013.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-02-21 12:25:06 UTC
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Also why did the election got moved to the later date. According to this dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3386 CSM8 should take office April 3rd 2013.


Results are announced at Fanfest, which is a month later this year.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#8 - 2013-02-21 12:28:48 UTC
Wonder how this will end up

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-02-21 12:29:09 UTC
Will there be increased efforts to raise awareness of the CSM season this time, which in many people's eyes would be a far more important step for the CSM, and do a far better job of making the process legitimate, than fiddling with the voting system? Asking us to vote twice and to make 14 choices on the second occasion isn't exactly going to appeal to the apathetic Joe Random Eve Player.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-02-21 12:37:04 UTC
Is it 14 votes exactly, or up to 14? If I only see 4 candidates I like the look of, do I have to cast the remaining 10 or can they be discarded?

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Dierdra Vaal
Interstellar Stargate Syndicate
#11 - 2013-02-21 12:37:45 UTC
I'll be running a completely updated and overhauled version of Vote Match this year, to hopefully help people in deciding which candidates get their vote(s). :)

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Ellahan Vhektor
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-02-21 12:37:53 UTC
Cass Lie wrote:
So wormholers will have a primary after all.

yes his name is Cipreh you will find his thread here as a member of his corp 7 months now i would like to voice my oppinion of him i think hes a fair and just leader and some one that you want to represent your voice if you are a wormhole capsuler
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Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#13 - 2013-02-21 12:38:18 UTC
It's that time of the year again

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RDevz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-02-21 12:38:44 UTC
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The summit attendees will use a new 2+5 system, with CCP and the CSM working together to pick the 5 hardest working and most feature relevant CSMs being flown to each summit and the final 2 attendees will be the "most preferred" candidates, chosen by reentering the election results into an STV election to select the top 2 candidates.


This is a system open to neither abuse nor gaming, with absolutely no chance of someone (you know who you are) trying to use it as a "keep the Goons out of the CSM" tool.

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Raid'En
#15 - 2013-02-21 12:39:25 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
A back-of-the-envelope calculation indicates that a Schulze-STV election with 14 seats and 28 candidates would take over 9 years to compute on a decent PC.

How much extra downtime would be needed to make TQ do it? P

So anyway, if I get this right, this system means big blocs who organize things have no reasons to do that anymore, and also explains why the WH guys didn't do a primary, as it's not needed anymore.
Well, also means I won't have to wonder who I choose to send my votes between the 2-3 guys I wanted elected who didn't had support from a powerful bloc.
Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-02-21 12:41:22 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Will there be increased efforts to raise awareness of the CSM season this time, which in many people's eyes would be a far more important step for the CSM, and do a far better job of making the process legitimate, than fiddling with the voting system? Asking us to vote twice and to make 14 choices on the second occasion isn't exactly going to appeal to the apathetic Joe Random Eve Player.


Maybe they can make it so you can generate a "vote key" that ticks the boxes for you; similar to what they have for API keys. Would also allow for candidates to easily specify their preferred preferences.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-02-21 12:43:31 UTC
The 'most feature relevant' part of the summit attendee section bothers me somewhat, since the summits should be covering a wide spectrum of topics, not just "lets talk about our new lowsec (for example) revamp expansion for three days". How will this be decided?

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Orisa Medeem
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-02-21 12:46:24 UTC
But what about increasing the visibility inside the client as mentioned in the minutes? Is it still going to happen?

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-02-21 12:48:44 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Is it 14 votes exactly, or up to 14? If I only see 4 candidates I like the look of, do I have to cast the remaining 10 or can they be discarded?

I'm wondering this myself. There haven't been 14 good candidates in any of the previous elections. What's more important is, that there are always godawful ones and it'd be a shame to be forced to have your votes have even a theoretical chance of going to a person who you actively oppose.
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-02-21 12:49:47 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Is it 14 votes exactly, or up to 14? If I only see 4 candidates I like the look of, do I have to cast the remaining 10 or can they be discarded?

As far as I know, you'll be able to select any number from 1 to 14. You may be amused to learn that my position was that you should be able to rank all the candidates if you so desired.

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