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CCP - Attack Battlecruiser overview issue

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BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#21 - 2013-02-21 12:14:46 UTC
Mag's wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Mag's wrote:
So, where's the exploit?


well (sorta exploit as i stated above :P )

players can exploit this by making an ABC fleet and kiting and tearing up other players that don't see you on overview since CCP didn't check it off in our settings.

sooo.. go exploit it and get some kills
Ship changes have always been like this. One thing I always do after a patch, is check the overview.

They may take advantage of your lack of vigilance, but I would hardly call that an exploit.



Yes Mag, it is a lesson learned for me to always check my overview after each patch. But I failed at coming up with another word for something that others could exploit/take advantage of so I chose that word. I've been letting people know and everyone I have spoken with has thanked me for pointing it out - they did not get on my case for my use of words.

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Sarmatiko
#22 - 2013-02-21 12:14:48 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Your quoting from the forums? This is not notifying all Eve players. It is notifying players on the forums - there is a HUGE difference as not all players go to the forums my friend. Try again.

CCP hates you and hates all those dummies who cannot edit their PVP overview settings manually.
Now you know the true horrible reason behind this.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#23 - 2013-02-21 12:17:19 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
or maybe it was just some guys flying nagas



Tell me.. have you looked at your overview settings? and tell me.. were the Attack battlecruisers and blockade runners checked off?

puh-leeez... anyone would have seen a spike of nagas on their overview while getting their ship melted if the settings were set right during the patch. Ugh

we caught it less than an hour after the patch vOv

it's not an exploit to fly a tier 3



who said it was an exploit to fly a tier 3? twisting my words a bit eh?

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-02-21 12:19:24 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
benny huo wrote:
we caught it less than an hour after the patch vOv

it's not an exploit to fly a tier 3


that said i agree not replacing BC with both attack and combat BC in settings was a bad move

then again i don't know if that's possible

edit is not quote
Daniel Whateley
#25 - 2013-02-21 12:20:35 UTC
Regardless CCP Should have put this in the patch notes like "oh yea and check your overview settings, there's a new Battlecruiser and Blockade Runner selection" they put everything else in there like, and i've seen and heard of exploits happen through bugs or misinformation, some are unavoidable, but this one was avoidable by just a little bit of information printed, its just one of those things that get skipped over...

imo 90% of eve doesn't even know that there is a new assault battlecruiser selection in the overview and the rest most likely didn't figure this out until they were either in a fleet of naga's... or they had a friend wanting to show them their ship, or they do a routine check of their settings after patches... i never bother checking things anymore because i rely on ccp giving us all the info about new things, they told us about 99% of the changes they did but this is the 1% they forgot obviously.....
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-02-21 12:22:56 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:

who said it was an exploit to fly a tier 3? twisting my words a bit eh?

nope
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#27 - 2013-02-21 12:23:25 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Your quoting from the forums? This is not notifying all Eve players. It is notifying players on the forums - there is a HUGE difference as not all players go to the forums my friend. Try again.

CCP hates you and hates all those dummies who cannot edit their PVP overview settings manually.
Now you know the true horrible reason behind this.



...and I send kisses and hugs to you.... evidently you never had them as a child...

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#28 - 2013-02-21 12:23:30 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Fix it yourself. Smile

Also this /= exploit.


grouchy aren't you? Cool


That's just my avatar. I typed my response with a P on my face.



But really, this is something (I feel) people should and can fix themselves. Like if I enter the game do I want to spin my ship or walk pointlessly around in CQ. It is a simple thing to fix. And even if this overview "bug" is used to someone's advantage (which sounds like funTwisted), it's only for a short while until people wise up to it.
Kuroder Ortnagar
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2013-02-21 12:27:40 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:

CCP Fozzie wrote:
As a more neutral side effect that is still worth noting: the Combat and Attack Battlecruisers, as well as the Blockade Runners and Deep Space Transports, will now be in separate groups. This means anyone with custom overviews will need to add the new Attack Battlecruiser group and the new Blockade Runner group to their list of groups that show up on the overview. The default overviews will be adjusted automatically.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2482199#post2482199

Also read this post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2642754#post2642754


Like Sarmatiko said, it got linked in the DEV Blog "no brakes - ship and module balancing in retribution 1.1"

Quote:
Black Ops Tweaks

Black Ops Features and Ideas Thread

There are a series of black ops gameplay changes that we have wanted to make for a while now. These changes are not the final rebalance for Black Ops Battleships, they are a set of usability changes to serve the ship class and the gameplay style until we have time to do a more thorough rebalance.


It's the link at the bottom of the blog
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#30 - 2013-02-21 12:30:09 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Fix it yourself. Smile

Also this /= exploit.


grouchy aren't you? Cool


That's just my avatar. I typed my response with a P on my face.



But really, this is something (I feel) people should and can fix themselves. Like if I enter the game do I want to spin my ship or walk pointlessly around in CQ. It is a simple thing to fix. And even if this overview "bug" is used to someone's advantage (which sounds like funTwisted), it's only for a short while until people wise up to it.



Sure we can fix it ourselves. But we need to know that it needs to be fixed. The bottom line is CCP is the one to decide whether it merits 'fixing' or not. I think it does. Mainly because you have players who aren't onto the fact that ships have been divided into new 'classes' and overviews need to be checked.

So CCP should decide. Blink

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-02-21 12:30:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Ignore this post, it's redundant.

Thanks in advance

DT

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#32 - 2013-02-21 12:35:15 UTC
No need for cloaking devices in w-space anymore i guess. This will end well..

thx for the warning OP
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#33 - 2013-02-21 12:36:29 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
How is this an exploit?
It isn't, not even the slightest.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#34 - 2013-02-21 12:43:10 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Mag's wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Mag's wrote:
So, where's the exploit?


well (sorta exploit as i stated above :P )

players can exploit this by making an ABC fleet and kiting and tearing up other players that don't see you on overview since CCP didn't check it off in our settings.

sooo.. go exploit it and get some kills
Ship changes have always been like this. One thing I always do after a patch, is check the overview.

They may take advantage of your lack of vigilance, but I would hardly call that an exploit.



Yes Mag, it is a lesson learned for me to always check my overview after each patch. But I failed at coming up with another word for something that others could exploit/take advantage of so I chose that word. I've been letting people know and everyone I have spoken with has thanked me for pointing it out - they did not get on my case for my use of words.
You mean, you couldn't use the term 'Take advantage of.'?

I have a feeling you knew exactly what would happen, when using the term exploit and why you haven't edited your OP.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Daniel Whateley
#35 - 2013-02-21 12:44:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
How is this an exploit?
It isn't, not even the slightest.



yes it is Cool wanna know why ?
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#36 - 2013-02-21 12:45:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
How is this an exploit?
It isn't, not even the slightest.



drop it.. I already gave an explanation of my choice of words... this Post is not about my wording. It's about something I think CCP should consider. Or have you nothing helpful to say?

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Daniel Whateley
#37 - 2013-02-21 12:50:02 UTC
Daniel Whateley wrote:
Tippia wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
How is this an exploit?
It isn't, not even the slightest.



yes it is Cool wanna know why ?


because you cant make people change their setting so they cant see you, just like you cant make people accept a contract trading plex for plex and taking your isk, but still people take advantage of it, which is the definition of exploitation.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#38 - 2013-02-21 12:51:12 UTC
Mag's wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Mag's wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Mag's wrote:
So, where's the exploit?


well (sorta exploit as i stated above :P )

players can exploit this by making an ABC fleet and kiting and tearing up other players that don't see you on overview since CCP didn't check it off in our settings.

sooo.. go exploit it and get some kills
Ship changes have always been like this. One thing I always do after a patch, is check the overview.

They may take advantage of your lack of vigilance, but I would hardly call that an exploit.



Yes Mag, it is a lesson learned for me to always check my overview after each patch. But I failed at coming up with another word for something that others could exploit/take advantage of so I chose that word. I've been letting people know and everyone I have spoken with has thanked me for pointing it out - they did not get on my case for my use of words.
You mean, you couldn't use the term 'Take advantage of.'?

I have a feeling you knew exactly what would happen, when using the term exploit and why you haven't edited your OP.



You too should just drop it. .. and no I did not know exactly what would happen. You need to understand that my whole reason for this post is actually for a positive outcome. One: for CCP to fix it. Two: for other players to know about it. I am not some person who sits and thinks of how to manipulate an outcome. I am forthright and used a word that I thought fit. So move on, nothing to see here.. these aren't the droids your looking for....

(... Unless your reason is to only torch and not be helpful. I don't care to edit as the following posts don't make sense to people reading after certain types of editing.)

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#39 - 2013-02-21 12:54:36 UTC
It would have made more sense if they had scripted the installer to update the overviews at first run.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2013-02-21 12:55:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
BoSau Hotim wrote:
drop it.
No. If you want to call something an exploit, make sure it's actually an exploit. This isn't by any stretch of the imagination.

Quote:
I already gave an explanation of my choice of words.
Was it “I used the completely wrong word, and I'll go back and edit it”? If not, then your explanation is as poor as your choice of words. ‘Exploit’ is something very specific in terms of mechanics and CCP response. If you wanted to be that inaccurate, why didn't you just call it a banana instead?

Quote:
Or have you nothing helpful to say?
Here's something helpfull: title your thread and your problem correctly, or it will be dismissed as nonsense.

Daniel Whateley wrote:
because you cant make people change their setting so they cant see you,
…and that is exactly why it's not an exploit.