Ships & Modules

Dual 180 II's, 10mn MWD, 1600mm plate and a meta 4 medium neut all fit with exactly 106 pg spare.

You really are doing it very wrong if you have 3x ancillary current routers fitted...

*Insert obligatory "lrn2eve" here*

why are people complaining about the hurrucane? Its still the fastest Combat BC slightly edging out the active tanked brutix and way faster than anything else .

This means that it never has to commit to any fight ever; if another BC does something it doesnt like, it just leaves; try that with a brutix where youre basically always in scramble range meaning that you cant even leave if things dont go your way.

Having the best speed and range basically means that you should be the worst in basically every other way; I think people severely underestimate the ability to run away if things get bad.

I have a hurricane that runs 425s an energy neut, two shield extenders and a MWD, if your skills lack a bit, go for a single extender and EM hardener.

The hurricane is still one of the better battlecruisers IMHO and if you disagree try flying a ferox or a brutix.

what are you trying to fit...

EDIT: also, what toolset are you using?

I suppose I should have been a bit more specific; the hurricane has the best range options of any combat BC.

Against the harb, it can close to 0 km where it has a slight damage advantage and a huge tracking advantage and a neut or sit at 35 km where it has a massive damage advantage; all the harb can do is hope to get a clean shot off as the hurricane pilot sets him up for whatever plan he decides to use to take the harb down.

The drake has far less damage potential than the cane, so closing to 0 and using hail would be the best strategy against the drake.

That being said, all of these things are in the seat of the hurricane pilot which gives him an inherent advantage as he gets to pick his fights.

As for the running away comment, this is the most valuable thing that people often gloss over.

If youre sitting in a hurricane battling any other combat BC, your thought process goes "if he has friends i have to run away"

If youre sitting in any other combat BC battling a hurricane, your thought process goes "if he has friends im going to die"

Ill take a 5% worse ship that can run away if things go sour on me over a 5% better ship that always has to commit to a fight any day. I might not get as many kills, but ill almost never take a loss.

Nah, never heard of power creep. They already are buffing/nerfing a huge amount of ships anyway so i don't see your point being valid in stating that they would have to do that... because they already are. Balancing BC's is what I am talking about and what the Dev's are doing. I liked my idea of them not nerfing ships but buffing/balancing the lesser BC's.

So have you fit the harby yet to see how it would compare to a cane? I would be quite interested in that since I fly both ships.

RIP Cane? How even?
It's still among one of the most powerful BCs, except now you have to fit it like other BCs.

You know, before the nerfs you could fit a Cane with 220s guns and 2x 1600mm plates, AND 3 Trimarks, you had to put 1 med neut on though and leave a high so.
Then they nerfed it so it was a decent boat, 220s 1x 1600mm plate, AND 3 trimarks, you could only have 1 small neut on though.

Now where you gotta fit it like a brutix you complain. The Harb was even worse, you had to have a cap booster on it, and it was almost impossible to fit with any T2s.

The Cane got a balance it's still in the game. You got access to all damage types + a insane falloff.
I'm sorry they made your "I Win at PVP" boat into a regular BC. It was waaaay OP and needed the nerfs it got.

Edit: i'm sorry i just had to point this out.
Blasters are locked to Kinetic/Thermal damage.
Lasers are locked to EM.
Projectiles got access to all damage types, which is why they do less Damage overall.

Fit this

Hey man, I like your damage type.

Ya, to make it competitive to other BC brawlers, you need to use HAIL.



I don't get all these speed arguments - are you saying, that we should celebrate the fact - that with a quicker BC (Cane), you can keep your targets pointed till your blob arrives?



Yup, lets assume a faction point and Loki Links, got it.

I'll simplify it for you:

- Can you still kill and win in a Cane, Yes, Ofcourse

- Can you brawl in a Cane, yes, but a HAM Drake, Plated Harbi, Brutix, Myrm, Neut/HAM Prophecy do it much better. Your double neuts previously gave you an edge. No more. Hail gives you similar gank to most, but then no dmg selection.(Prophecy has best Tank, Brutix has best Gank, Drake has best Combo, Harbi has best projection with insta-Scorch to 24km)

- Can you kite in a Cane, yes, but your gank (between 20-28km), tank and projection is worse than a Shield Harbinger or HAM & HML Drake or HML/HAM Cyclone. Barrage removes the core strength of AC's i.e. Damage Selection, grats youre like the Kinetic Drake or Scorch Harbi as far as Damage versatility goes (Cyclone has best dmg selection amongst kiting BCs).

Yes, youre viable, youre unfortunately the worst of the lot - someone had to be at the bottom, its you.

Hurricane was never overpowered, its range with autocannons was within 30km any further and you wouldn't do any damage, and as for an arty boat it was only 300-400 dps at most, and we all know how terrible arties track, this shouldn't of happened to the cane, almost all of the other battlecruisers were more powerful than the cane, shorter range of coarse but in a 1v1 against a gallente ship, the gallente ship would win in brawling, the changes to it have unbalanced it...

I don't think the Harbinger got your memo squirt.

Or the Drake, cause if capless weapon systems is the Canes 'core' - its shared by Drake, Cyclone, Prophecy, Myrmidon. (5 outta 8 Combat BCs)

Youre saying Gallente ships need to be superior brawlers - er ok. The cane had a plan B with the 2 neuts previously against blaster boats i.e. I cant out dps you, ill shut ur guns off and hence win the fight.

The present cane CANNOT brawl - its actually not limited to Cane, since the blaster buff, no equivalent Matari Hull can Brawl vs the equivalent Gallente Hull.

- Rifter vs Incursus
- Wolf vs Enyo
- Rupture vs Thorax or Vexor
- Cane vs Brutix or Myrmidon (it could due to the 2 med neuts in the past, but not with a single neut, now it cant)

[All in the name of damage selection]

This is why the Cane needs a 2nd utility high - its cap-less guns and passive tank was previously complemented by the 2 med neuts, giving it staying power vs cruisers and BCs. No longer can you outbrawl the blaster cruisers/BCs. (or even the Drake or Harbinger)

Finally, the kiting AC Cane is outperformed by Harbi and Drake - so what is the Cane's niche?

Speed!! - TO RUN AWAY, ammirite??