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Very frustrating, up to now still cannot play. I did file a petition, no reply, it seems as if CCP is not interested in keeping my business. I currently have two of my accounts not training, and a 3rd will be done training in 4 hours.

When i spend my hard earned cash I expect a return, currently there is no return on my payments. If this is not resolved soon I will cancel all my accounts.

Well it looks like the Era of the Battlecruiser is over.

what will be next to throw on the PVE pile

So I have a question.

I drive a Myrmidon. I've been playing for about 3 months and am moving towards a battleship before branching out into something in the manufacturing line.

Before the rebalance, I had 6 turrets and 75mbs drone bandwidth and could fit 15 medium drones in my bay. I used Hammerhead IIs.

After the rebalance I have 5 turrets and 100mbs drone bandwidth and can fit 20 medium drones in my bad.

As far as I can see, and I'm a new player here so please correct me if I'm wrong, the only benefits from the higher bandwidth and drone bay are that I can use 5 heavy drones if I wanted to whereas before I could only use 3 of them. And for this I lost 1/6th of my turrets.

I'm confused because I thought medium drones were best for taking out cruisers, battlecruisers and the odd frigates that I'm going to meet mission running. Heavy drones are more for battleships and large slow targets.

And as the Myrmdon is not really a pvp boat and even if it is it will not be taking on battleships and capital ships, how is deploying heavy drones going to be anything but a negative in terms of dps, ignoring the fact it will take a full month just to be able to use Ogre IIs (no point in Ogre Is as they are inferior to my Hammerhead IIs).

I feel as though I may as well just focus on getting the skills to fly a battleship and abandon the Myrmidon since all I see is nerf.

Can anyone tell me where my logic is wrong about the changes? Are heavy drones actually useful against small and medium targets?

Cheers

The character portraits in-game seem to have received a significant decrease in quality, those created after the patch release anyway. I understand that preformance is important, but this low-grade jpg style compression is horrible; Not to mention the game seems to be going marginally slower anyway. Your character creator and editor is the best-looking I have encountered, please don't let it go to waste by pixelating the end results so badly.

Shield Hurricane is still perfectly viable, and is considered for quite a few purposes to be superior to the armor Hurricane. Heavy missile are still perfectly viable due to their combination of selectable damage profile, excellent damage projection, and good dps and alpha. In fact, even after the minor nerf, they still have the best damage projection in the game. Heavy assault missiles are also now quite viable, and may be the way to go for a Cyclone.

If you were using the Prophecy for PvE before, you were intentionally nerfing your own income, since the pre-patch Prophecy was inferior in all ways to the Harbinger except as obvious bait. It is now a viable drone boat.

But since you've already unsubbed, I doubt you're reading this. And if you're not having fun, maybe you should take a break from EVE.

Hey thanks for the quick and useful reply.

So you think that for pve I can fly say 3 or 4 T2 heavy drones and 1-2 lights/mdms (or 1 light and a sentry) on lvl3 missions and I'm not likely to sit endlessly watching frigates or fast cruisers circle me unhit until I lose the will to live?

I had thought that skilling up on heavy and sentry drones would wait until I started flying a battleship, but it sounds like that won't be the case.

I never really rely on the turrets for damage (I use rails) but they came in handy to keep aggro off the drones and for the occassional 'boss' type pirate with superior shield or armour tanking that I couldn't break down without getting in close with antimatter shells. I just didn't want to spend hours on lvl3 missions with drones and weapons that can't take down small ships.

Cheers

Edit: Of course 32 days of skilling up to go from T2 mdm / T1 hvy drones to T2 heavy drones seems completely excessive. Possibly I've reached the point where new players plunge over a cliff and realise how long some things in Eve take. I'd rather fly a BS with medium drones and then get skilled on T2 heavies than sit in a BC for an additional month just to get better drones. Oh well

I think the true question is: Why are there people who have 15 accounts and spend 500 USD on plexes? Even 3 accounts, are you really playing the game, or are you just pushing buttons and such to see a number go up so you can buy more time to push buttons to make numbers go up to buy more time to push more buttons to make numbers go up, etc.

Sorry, off topic. I just saw that and will always be baffled by people who have such huge amounts of time or money. CCP no doubt thanks them.

On the topic of the patch: great. I'm not sure how I feel about the BC rebalancing yet, the overview issue was definitely something that shouldn't have been overlooked, but it's a simple fix, and NPC/Complex/Warp Out issue needs to be fixed immediately. That last one has happened to me numerous times in the past 2 days and it's made exploration either far too pointless (in the case of combat sites) or far too easy (in the case of loot sites). If there's one thing CCP needs to fix, it's this issue. It's no doubt a bug, and an annoying one at that.

Otherwise, I still have to explore the rest of the changes before making my judgments, but overall, so far, it's been welcome.

Alice, I disagree. With excellent gunnery skills, the Prophecy was absolutely not a substandard choice for PvE. For PvP, max dmg matters. But instapop is instapop. At BC V, the resistance bonuses are good enough to run a passive tank, freeing up almost all cap for mwd'ing and anything else you wish to play around with. You can't do the same with a Harb. You need your cap for the tank. My Prophecy BCs were tons dynamic in PvE combat. I zipped and zoomed around as a matter of course.

Cap stable.

Now there's no point in even moving from the warp-in. The contrast in playstyle is huge. It's viable alright. But it's also like sitting in a car with 4 flat tires. With drones as primary weapons, it only makes sense to fit missiles so you don't even have to navigate.

I'm guessing these changes must be awesome if one has drone skills or actually wishes to use drones as a primary weapon. But since drones/drone skills have never been required to pilot Amarr ships prior this tiercide initiative, for those who do not, this change has rendered their ships pretty useless. This isn't just the removal of a slot. It's a complete repurposing. The impetus here seems to have been to find a role for the Prophecy in blob warfare so I'm sure that 3 sentried Prophecies will find their way onto some nullsec battlefield in no time. They're cheap and have great resists.

.....

So I accept that this is done and sure I'll learn to adapt - probably by replacing my Prophecies with Harbs, even though I hate the idea, but I will never accept that this was the only way to make the Prophecy viable. They could've done anything. There are things I do like about Retribution. This just isn't one of them.

On a side note, I'd like to request that CCP please change the in-game description of the Arbitrator now.

"The Arbitrator is unusual for Amarr ships in that it's primarily a drone carrier. While it is not the best carrier around, it has superior armor that gives it greater durability than most ships in its class."

It sure isn't that unusual anymore.

And as this is one of the last bits of in-game evidence that I'm actually not delusional, that the Amarr race has never been (in-game) a drone race, (or I'm sure I'd have excellent drone skills as opposed to the gunnery skills I have now) I just ask that the description be rewritten.

Something like: "The Arbitrator is but one of a fleet of drone-based Amarr ships that kick a**. It is not at all unusual as everyone, except the most delusional fanatics know that the Amarr people are now and have always been primarily a drone race" would be just great.

I'll be busy putting my game on hold to train for the upcoming BC changes, the upcoming destroyer changes, and now the new necessary drone and missile skills I need to fly the same ship I was flying just fine yesterday.

When I'm done, my ships won't be the only thing balanced.

YK

Anyone who has played EVE for any legnth of time, if they were honest with themselves, knew that Drakes and Hurricanes were very over powered compared to the other ships in thier bracket. From a macro systemic point of view, a nerf was over due. Drake was a favorite ship of mine, and though I wasn't well trained in projectiles, I respected (dreaded) the hurricane.
I like that they have been humbled. They are still good ships...maybe just more incentive to start flying T3, BS, or pirate faction cruisers.
Guess a plus side is that they will come down in price...always a nice thing for the comsumer. For people who early on got stuck on flying the Drake or Cane early on and never trained up or sideways, there are other ships and new techniques of flying you are missing out on. Might broaden your horizones, to train new tank, guns, utilities...might find a new play style too. Keeps it fresh!