These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Player Features and Ideas Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Remove sec status hit in FW plexes for FW pilots
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Shi Xia
Killing With Kindness
#21 - 2013-02-20 22:39:28 UTC
I like the idea of incurring a suspect timer upon entering the FW plex. in addition to this, the other remedy that comes to mind is to have the deadspace FW beacons not show up in space (similar to a generic deadspace missions) and only be visible to FW players using their ship scanners.

Of course non-faction warfare pilots could still probe out the plexes, but I believe it would curb the majority of neutrals from entering the plexes. Tie in the OP's idea of the suspect timer and it would reduce this problem greatly.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#22 - 2013-02-21 03:50:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Borrowing an idea from SWG (the greatest MMO ever made, IMHO)...

A neutral entering a plex flags the player as a FW member of the opposing side for a fixed length of time (one hour? one day? debate). During that time they are considered part of that militia. They will show up on comms as part of it and are now participating in FW with all the benefits and hazards therein until their timer runs out.

Anti-exploitation caveat: They only get 50% LP from activities because they haven't actually committed to it by joining with actual FW agent in a station.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#23 - 2013-02-21 05:45:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Borrowing an idea from SWG (the greatest MMO ever made, IMHO)...

A neutral entering a plex flags the player as a FW member of the opposing side for a fixed length of time (one hour? one day? debate). During that time they are considered part of that militia. They will show up on comms as part of it and are now participating in FW with all the benefits and hazards therein until their timer runs out.

Anti-exploitation caveat: They only get 50% LP from activities because they haven't actually committed to it by joining with actual FW agent in a station.


well the eve way to fix that would be to flag neutrals as suspects or give them a limited engagement timer.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
2manno Asp
Death By Design
#24 - 2013-02-21 15:29:00 UTC
the suspect flag seems like an obvious solution, and i'm not entirely against it.

however the most direct way of dealing with the problem, is to simply not give the sec status hit to the FW pilot in the plex if they agrgress.

i don't really care if the nuetrals are flagged as suspects or not, nor do most other players i would think. the issue is simply getting hit for sec status while in a FW plex, becuase you are defending yourself from a nuetral that wants to fight.

remove the hit, problem solved. no mess, no fuss.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#25 - 2013-02-21 15:34:52 UTC
Or don't engage neutrals, if you don't want the sec hit. Therefore avoiding special treatment where is is not required, or necessary.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
2manno Asp
Death By Design
#26 - 2013-02-21 16:07:37 UTC
another who seems to share my opinion.

http://ashraine-eve.blogspot.com/2013/01/warzones.html
2manno Asp
Death By Design
#27 - 2013-02-21 16:18:12 UTC  |  Edited by: 2manno Asp
Mag's wrote:
Or don't engage neutrals, if you don't want the sec hit. Therefore avoiding special treatment where is is not required, or necessary.


not sure if you read the OP... or maybe see my point.

this isn't about FW players receiving special treatment. that annotes entitlement to the wrong group.

this is about a warzone (in the form of a FW plex), in which certain people, namely nuetrals, are receiving special treatment. everyone else gets shot freely.

they come in knowing they will shoot a fw pilot, relying on the knowledge that a given pilot may not want to recieve a sec status hit, in order to aggress before they are aggressed. in a warzone. surely even you can see the stupidity.

this forces the fw pilot to make choices already outlined in the OP, that logically stand against the point of FW.

so you're half right. special treatment doesn't make sense. let's eliminate it.
Onomerous
KARNAGE
Ghostbirds
#28 - 2013-02-21 16:19:28 UTC
Another great idea...



to fix something that isn't broken. There is no issue so we don't need a solution (which just happens to fit exactly what you need!@!!!)
2manno Asp
Death By Design
#29 - 2013-02-21 16:29:43 UTC
you mean what FW needs. this is an issue for all FW participants.
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-02-21 16:30:12 UTC
Both parties suffer the same sec hit if they engage first. Sounds like its working as intended.

...

2manno Asp
Death By Design
#31 - 2013-02-21 16:31:45 UTC
TheSkeptic wrote:
Both parties suffer the same sec hit if they engage first. Sounds like its working as intended.


intention does not always equal ideal.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#32 - 2013-02-21 16:37:39 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
You're in the plex to kill stuff. Everybody knows this.

So yes, put suspect timer on everybody and have at it. Tired of taking sec hit because some neutral wants to get into scram range before taking first shot.
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-02-21 16:44:50 UTC
2manno Asp wrote:
TheSkeptic wrote:
Both parties suffer the same sec hit if they engage first. Sounds like its working as intended.


intention does not always equal ideal.


Just because it isn't ideal for you doesn't mean it needs changing.

...

Ak'athra J'ador
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-02-21 16:49:14 UTC
Agree with OP and I live in FW space but am nuetral.

Any fool can see how silly it is that I can enter a plex and shoot first or wait in a plex expecting the same.

And special treatment Mag's? LOL! If you don't think groups/sections of space are all treated differently, then you still don't get EVE at all.
Alexandra Vyvourant
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-02-21 16:56:42 UTC
Tell 'em Akathra!

High sec peeps are special to Null, Null special to High. Nuets special to FW. Whatever man. I say take it away from the nuets.

Let them shoot and be shot freely in FW plex. It's the only way to be sure.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-02-21 17:32:28 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Or don't engage neutrals, if you don't want the sec hit. Therefore avoiding special treatment where is is not required, or necessary.


A neutral in a FW plex gains NOTHING from being the plex other than pvp (the singular rat drops very bad loot), therefore anyone in a plex thats not FW is there to shoot you.

why wait to be shot and killed rather than make the obvious decision to run/range/fight before the inevitable tackle comes.

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#37 - 2013-02-21 17:35:15 UTC
why i mentioned the limited engagement timer was basically because it is much shorter and it would not affect the neutral if he decides to run. I know it is not the intended use of the timer, esp when multiple parties are involved but it could solve the issue nicely - assumed it scales.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-02-21 18:59:16 UTC
+1
I ruined my sec status completely.
need something to fix that.


And thx CCP for my petition which is still not looked into since 3 days^^
Lost standings with 24th imperial from 5.2 to -6.3 for podding ONE awoxer who started to shot our fc.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.
Onomerous
KARNAGE
Ghostbirds
#39 - 2013-02-21 21:03:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Onomerous
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
+1
I ruined my sec status completely.
need something to fix that.


And thx CCP for my petition which is still not looked into since 3 days^^
Lost standings with 24th imperial from 5.2 to -6.3 for podding ONE awoxer who started to shot our fc.


Don't pod him in LS?

LOL at this entire discussion... just lol.
2manno Asp
Death By Design
#40 - 2013-02-22 00:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: 2manno Asp
Onomerous wrote:
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
+1
I ruined my sec status completely.
need something to fix that.


And thx CCP for my petition which is still not looked into since 3 days^^
Lost standings with 24th imperial from 5.2 to -6.3 for podding ONE awoxer who started to shot our fc.


Don't pod him in LS?

LOL at this entire discussion... just lol.


and lol at your... well thought out, poingnant and eloquently made arguments...

or whatever you might call your posts.