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Latest in a long line of small gang PVP nerfs...

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Eva Perez
Rifterlings
#181 - 2013-02-20 23:16:28 UTC
I didn't think it was possible, but... Eve forum users actually are this dumb.

Has anyone even read Petrus's signature since this thread started?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#182 - 2013-02-20 23:22:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Eva Perez wrote:
I didn't think it was possible, but... Eve forum users actually are this dumb.

Has anyone even read Petrus's signature since this thread started?


You have signatures on?

-Liang

Ed: Also, I very rarely actually see them anymore. Last I heard they moved to null sec (or at least out of the FW area). Who knows how Baddy McBads they've become since then.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#183 - 2013-02-20 23:28:04 UTC
... You can turn signatures off?

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Eva Perez
Rifterlings
#184 - 2013-02-20 23:39:42 UTC
The Bad is strong with this one...
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
#185 - 2013-02-20 23:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Davion Falcon
Liang Nuren wrote:
Davion Falcon wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:


-Liang


No, really?


Congratulations, you are Eve Forum User #70344334663945612347 to comment on that. None of the others were able to accomplish their goal either. You lose. Would you like to play again?

-Liang


Yet you persist. I had no idea the real Liang Nuren posted.

So, why yes, yes I would.

-Davion Falcon, Those Once Loyal, Random Caldari turned Minmatar Sympathizer, somewhere in lowsec, New Eden

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven.

ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#186 - 2013-02-20 23:52:20 UTC
Threads like this do an excellent job of dispelling the myth that eve online is a game for intelligent people.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#187 - 2013-02-20 23:56:28 UTC
Davion Falcon wrote:

Yet you persist. I had no idea the real Liang Nuren posted.

So, why yes, yes I would.

-Davion Falcon, Those Once Loyal, Random Caldari turned Minmatar Sympathizer, somewhere in lowsec, New Eden


Ok~~, but don't say I didn't warn you that you'll lose. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#188 - 2013-02-21 00:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Solomar Espersei
Is it me, or is this just 10 pages of "welp, so much for the PODLA drake" discourse?

I do think it's a shame that ship is hardly even viable anymore. I think the tactic is still possible though. Maybe look at the Cyclone as your new HML skirmisher. I don't know, I think it's cool that Fozzie seems to be giving us some choices, but I would have rather seen the other BC brought up to Retribution 1.0 BCs in light of how good the new cruisers are. Just my opinion.

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Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#189 - 2013-02-21 00:18:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Milton Middleson
Liang Nuren wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So now that Drakefleet is no longer an option, what do the almighty always-right forum warriors of GD recommend that my corp use for FW roams?


I enjoyed the Slasher roam you guys did, personally. I think you should have had some people fit MWDs though.



The Rebel Alliance Doctrine has been revised and updated for the new era, and will feature A-wings and B-wings as well as X-wings.

edit: I will say, that particular fight drove me to the discovery that thanks to the wonders of 125mm ACs, an armor slasher can dual-prop with requiring a fitting mod.
Bane Veradun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#190 - 2013-02-21 00:19:25 UTC
So the Cane and the Drake are replaced by the Cyclone and the Brutix. Same vicious cycle, over and again. The Cane will probably survive, but this will probably spell obsolesence for the Drake. Oh, it can still tank, but what little DPS it had has been nerfed, so it might as well be shelved. What's funny is that people hated it's tank, not it's damage dealing potential, which was barely adequate anyways after the missile nerf.

CCP can't even break their own stuff correctly. *shrugs*

Long live the Cyclone and Brutix.

Hi.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#191 - 2013-02-21 00:21:01 UTC
Bane Veradun wrote:
So the Cane and the Drake are replaced by the Cyclone and the Brutix. Same vicious cycle, over and again. The Cane will probably survive, but this will probably spell obsolesence for the Drake. Oh, it can still tank, but what little DPS it had has been nerfed, so it might as well be shelved. What's funny is that people hated it's tank, not it's damage dealing potential, which was barely adequate anyways after the missile nerf.

CCP can't even break their own stuff correctly. *shrugs*

Long live the Cyclone and Brutix.

I know, right? It just seems like some CCP dude lost too many ships to Drakes and decided they were OP, so nerfed them into the ground. Disappointing.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#192 - 2013-02-21 00:33:48 UTC
Sounds like a few guys, maybe an entire corporation, just hit their level cap and their End Game isn't what they like.

Some of us have been pushing our End Game every expansion...every patch even.

I would say "Adapt" but of course you already knew that. Good luck out there.

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#193 - 2013-02-21 01:56:08 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I know, right? It just seems like some CCP dude lost too many ships to Drakes and decided they were OP.
Why would they buff the Drake if that were the case?
Galenwade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#194 - 2013-02-21 02:11:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Galenwade
hmm , just a thought .


IF flying X makes you a better person/pilot/eve player /skillful because it is harder ( see OP)

And Y just got Nerfed, if you fly Y ( which is now harder) doesn't that make you a better person/pilot/eve player/skillful ?


So the gain for you if you fly your drake, is you now should ( at least in your mind) look like a better person Idea
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#195 - 2013-02-21 03:43:16 UTC
Bane Veradun wrote:
So the Cane and the Drake are replaced by the Cyclone and the Brutix. Same vicious cycle, over and again. The Cane will probably survive, but this will probably spell obsolesence for the Drake. Oh, it can still tank, but what little DPS it had has been nerfed, so it might as well be shelved. What's funny is that people hated it's tank, not it's damage dealing potential, which was barely adequate anyways after the missile nerf.

CCP can't even break their own stuff correctly. *shrugs*

Long live the Cyclone and Brutix.


You obviously haven't flown the hilariously pathetic Cyclone.

Where I am.

Kurumia
Perkone
Caldari State
#196 - 2013-02-21 04:47:39 UTC
I too think that a mistake was made by nerfing the drake, but not for the reason that most people give.
Yes the drake was overpowered a bit for it's class, but when many people start out, they can easily get into it, and then use it for a long time and engage in all kinds of small scale warfare; it was very useful and versatile in this role.

But it did something else which was important. It made everyone that wanted to fly it have to learn to use all kinds of shield technologies. And to ever move on to large scale warfare, all of these players had to eventually move on to armor technologies, to compete successfully.

So yes it warped somewhat the career paths of so many pilots, but it got all of us to at least try and experiment with things.
Now with the drake nerfed, if I was a new pilot starting now, I would read the forums and never bother to get very good with shields, I would just go straight to armor tanking and skip a lot of stuff. Ditto for skipping missile technologies. In the larger combat battles, missiles and shields were never as good as blasters and armor tanking, so now CCP has made all of those things even more irrelevant.

In real life everything is not perfectly balanced, and in eve I thought they had a nice balance to the imbalances. Now I think we shall miss that. Now as I read one poster say, everything will be much more cookie-cutter, and I have to agree 100%.
Previously we knew we were making a bad long term decision to get a good fit into the drake, but we lived with it for the immediate utility.
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