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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#61 - 2011-09-06 21:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Morgals wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Esan Vartesa wrote:

FiS shouldnt be a PORTION of the game is IS THE GAME

THIS

Everyhting else should support FIS and if it grows great but is should not take away from FIS.


Lets just take a look at this...

People on the forums consider CCP using resources for anything but FiS "taking away" from FiS. Therefore it is not possible to do what you are asking according to the standard set forth by the "community".

In reality what went down is something like CCP was making money, they decided to diversify, took out a loan, and started to develop other things. People complain that all 600 employees aren't working on FiS, but literally hundreds of them were never even hired for it.

Also,

[quote] What we got here is... failure to communicate.


Misquoting the movie Cool Hand Luke is a deplorable abomination.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#62 - 2011-09-06 21:57:16 UTC
Why did this thread have to come here?
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2011-09-06 22:04:06 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Why did this thread have to come here?

Pubbies love talking about Mittens.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#64 - 2011-09-06 22:07:31 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:


Misquoting the movie Cool Hand Luke is a deplorable abomination.



Or correctly quoting a Guns N Roses song

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Oglyn
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2011-09-06 22:07:56 UTC
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Why did this thread have to come here?

Pubbies love laughing at Mittens.


FYP
Barakkus
#66 - 2011-09-06 22:09:14 UTC
Why are you guys so lazy about typing ****?
Stop with the acronyms already!!!

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#67 - 2011-09-06 22:13:04 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Why are you guys so lazy about typing ****?
Stop with the acronyms already!!!


ya gtfo with that ****

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Sofia Bellard
Doomheim
#68 - 2011-09-06 22:13:46 UTC
Yet another The Mittani Show I will happily miss. He is an attention whore yes? Will the show be broadcast in green?

Poor sad little pirates,  why you so mad?
Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#69 - 2011-09-06 22:21:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Sister Bliss
Cipher Jones wrote:
People complain that all 600 employees aren't working on FiS, but literally hundreds of them were never even hired for it.


If you were to put Incarna to one side for arguments sake and look at what other resources CCP had devoted to Eve you would find something like the following:

Eve Development:
Game Design/Ship Balance - CCP Tallest (1 person)
Team BFF (optimisation, the war on lag, etc.) - 5 people?

Eve Development (Artwork)
New Turrets / New Ship Rendering - 5 people?
Nebulae - 5 people?

You then have other stuff like Carbon which is really architecture and software frameworks which are being invested in to use in all their games products. No idea how many are working on this, clearly will be some benefit to Eve but primary aim is for software reuse with other projects.

So with the above, you have 6 people working on core Eve development and about 10 artists working on making broken **** look pretty. That's 16 people, and even then I am not 100% sure 10 artitsts is actually the case. No-one is asking or demanding that CCP divert 100% of their resources to Eve. 50% would be fantastic, 10% would be amazing. At the moment it is more like 2%.

It is no wonder that ridiculously simple balancing changes which would take 1 developer 2 days to implement are put into a work stack 5 years deep.

Regretablly, even if CCP were to realise at this exact moment their folly, it would take 1.5 to 2 years to actually deliver anything of substance to do anything about it that wasn't purely lip service.
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
#70 - 2011-09-06 22:26:46 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Morgals wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
[quote=Esan Vartesa]
FiS shouldnt be a PORTION of the game is IS THE GAME

THIS

Everyhting else should support FIS and if it grows great but is should not take away from FIS.


Lets just take a look at this...

People on the forums consider CCP using resources for anything but FiS "taking away" from FiS. Therefore it is not possible to do what you are asking according to the standard set forth by the "community".

In reality what went down is something like CCP was making money, they decided to diversify, took out a loan, and started to develop other things. People complain that all 600 employees aren't working on FiS, but literally hundreds of them were never even hired for it.


Oh yess CCP can diversify and it is wise to do so. But they should not take away or fail to maintain development on eve. The perception is that FIS is suffering to support these other efforts. Between vampires, dust, and incarna development of FIS has been reduced to a fraction of what it should be to maintain EvE's required pace of development.

For example CCP's art team is noted as a bottle neck for Effects, trails, pos revamp, better icons, new ships, and many other facets of eve. We got a break down of what the Art teams allocations are and only a tiny fraction of that team is working on EvE at all and most of them are working on incarna. So we get little to no development on the EvE portion. This is revealed in the last CSM meetings and other official publications. There is also the older break down of what teams are owrking on pre-incarna and actualy space stuff had very few resources allocated to it. There is no indication that this has changed other than team BFF. And BFF has been amazing for so few people.

EvE needs these resources to grow or it will stagnate and die.
the dev's working on EvE are great but they need more of them to actually do the work required and the big wigs keep prioritizing non FIS items despite the fact that most of use play EvE for space ships...
Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#71 - 2011-09-06 22:28:48 UTC
Not going to side with anyone in the debate, just going to say:

Pro journalism = linking to a source that has historically been suspected of keylogging.
Trig Onami
Onami Corporation
#72 - 2011-09-06 22:30:02 UTC
"The Mutiny" should save up for return airfare on his next trip to Iceland. That is all.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#73 - 2011-09-06 22:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
lol "there came a time when we realized we were being seen as apologists"

geeeee YOU THINK Mittens?
"In defense of Arcana"
lol

"we NOW have something to crystalize people that theres something wrong with EVE"

....yet nothing up till now has been this lol

It IS funny, Mittens "doesnt speak for the CSM" but none of the other CSM are talking
MORE funny is the title of the window. "Funky talks to Mittens"
NOT "Funky talks to the CSM"

It IS funny to hear him preening lol

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
#74 - 2011-09-06 22:41:54 UTC
I don't understand why goons are unhappy? Is Russia about to overpower them? Are they about to lose Tech? Why would they threaten to burn down CCP? Maybe supercaps? Not being Nerfed in time. Are there not enough resources available to Nerf their competition in time to avoid a retreat to empire? What could be so serious?
FadeIN Fr0St
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2011-09-06 22:45:03 UTC
If everyone is getting the gas, Ill get the match's.Pirate

"All hail Wang ... the little fella in Command. When 'trouble' starts to spread, I'm sure he will rise to the occasion."

Azahni Vah'nos (Best reply ever)
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#76 - 2011-09-06 22:45:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
oh god I agree with Mittens

"Lifetime subs is a horrible idea"

Is it funny to anyone else how often you hear the CSM say "CCP are chill dudes"

lol "were not here for specific stuff. We just say this is broke, fix it"
Every time Mittens says "flying in space" I wanna punch a baby.
Though it would make a great drinking game.
lol the baby in the background of the guy asking the questions

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Tiven loves Tansien
Doomheim
#77 - 2011-09-06 22:46:35 UTC
Kyoko Sakoda wrote:
Not going to side with anyone in the debate, just going to say:

Pro journalism = linking to a source that has historically been suspected of keylogging.


lolVeto

LolLolLolLolLolLol
Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
#78 - 2011-09-06 22:56:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuggboat
Yes I do recall sometime after looking at a linked post that my AV was down and my firewall was disabled. LOL Forget the 2 Trojans names. Oh BZUB and BIFROST?

TOR has a nice portable package with Firefox that is portable, you can put it on a usb stick to browse any eve/goon related links.

TOR BUndle

NOscript is a real nice addition also. You really need a firewall that can give you quick shutdown and a quick display of your ports, connections and processes also if you want to play with gasoline.

NOSCRIPT firefox addon


a good firewall, made by Russians


Play with fire, you get burnt.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#79 - 2011-09-06 22:56:35 UTC
OMG the CSM saying the game is dying O.o

the sky really IS falling

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Sha Dar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2011-09-06 23:01:56 UTC
I don't see the actual declaration yet, just the shot across the bow, and the inference that there must be change.

When the declaration does come, (and with the current ccp it probably will), I expect high sec to be awash with wrecks and tears on a constant basis.

Anything less just won't do the job.

In the meantime, the rest of CSM should step up and ALL of them release a joint (agreed) statement, so they are seen to be singing from the same sheet.

The purpose of life is not to make a living, but to make a difference...