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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-02-20 10:35:11 UTC
Joran Dravius wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
They're all in GOONSWARM FEDERATION

Yeah now that BoB is gone.


Next you'll be telling us that this is why Technetium was buffed.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-02-20 11:25:42 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
The "problem" is that goonfleet.com is at its core all about EVE. It is very doubtful how much of the goonfleet.com community (that forms your direct peer group) would survive if it decided to leave EVE behind and play other games exclusively. You broke the barrier that separated "the game" and "the community".


Not quite. If EVE died tomorrow, we'd find another game that the majority of us can like. We got thousands into EVE and I don't doubt that we'd find another game with several themes in common that many of us would enjoy.

You're not wrong though, GF.com is quite separate from SA's greater MMO community. This isn't without a reason: EVE is a very unique game that shares very few themes with other MMOs in and above its weight class.

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Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-02-20 11:50:08 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

As a player, I was suicide ganking before it was cool. :hipster:

But as CCP employees we choose to stay towards the light side. It makes a refreshing change of pace for quite a few of us.

please enact a policy that any dev touching suicide ganking has to go out and actually do it some before deciding that it is currently overpowered

part of the problem is that if you don't actually do something the difficulties about it aren't apparent "oh you just get into a ship and blow him up" seems easy. But dealing with warpins, bounces that **** your tracking, getting jammed by faction police, etc, all these things don't occur to the balancer because they've not suicide ganked in years (if at all)

this is a particularly important issue because it keeps getting nerfed (insurance, barge buff, can't warp with a gcc, etc)


I'm pretty sure that Fozzie and the other game designers are familiar with suicide ganking.

-Liang

Ed: I think a lot of people forget that CCP build this game from the ground up. You are enjoying some activity because they put it there for you to enjoy.


That doesn't necessarily fit.

Just because a designer put a plan in place and others found a way around their plan... well claiming it's by intent from the get-go is like the cat that falls off a ledge and gives you that look like "yeah, I intended that to happen!" - sure...

Things can be designed one way and end up where they weren't planned on going. Sometimes this is good/delightful - other times it goes a bit too far and needs adjusting. As such I'd avoid assuming they "planned" on how things work -- probably some slack but not an intent that folks would choose to suicide their ships like they do.
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#84 - 2013-02-20 12:49:11 UTC
Well theres no dev playing science&industry side of eve. Or why else you thing its interface is so bad i would like to invade CCP HQ in iceland and force them to fix it... Evil Joking.

Its probably on of those interfaces that are a mess, just like pos and corporate role system. And that emans no dev is brave enought to tackle them.

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C C P
C C P Alliance
#85 - 2013-02-20 13:37:25 UTC
Potrondal Morrison wrote:
Hey Fozzie, do you or any of the CCP employee players offer a ISK doubling service in Jita?


We spam Polaris local with our amazing isk doubling offers all the time, sadly I've only caught CCP Foxfour so far.

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MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#86 - 2013-02-20 13:48:06 UTC
I thought they mostly played World of Tanks and DayZ

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Nicky Scars
Doomheim
#87 - 2013-02-20 13:50:37 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:



Here is Don Juan. He has a horse, armour, a lance, supplies and a sidekick. Off he goes to wage war against the giants threatening his country. Except they are windmills, not giants. And the windmills are pumping water or milling grain. Organised but incompetent.




And here's a Spanish woman wondering why Don Quixote is hitting her and Don Juan is ganking windmills.
Meytal
Doomheim
#88 - 2013-02-20 13:57:04 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
As a player, I was suicide ganking before it was cool. :hipster:

But as CCP employees we choose to stay towards the light side. It makes a refreshing change of pace for quite a few of us.

You gank us with the codebase instead! ;)
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-02-20 14:20:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Wescro
Yea to be fair socket connections everywhere are ganked at record rates. When can we expect a socket connection buff?

http://crossingzebras.com/2013/02/17/csm8ripardteg/
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2013-02-20 15:25:20 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:

what changed is that in contrast to your previous CEOs The Mittani seems to take EVE pretty seriously which has rubbed off on your alliance as a whole.

the "don't give a ****" pre-Delve goons (lead by grandstanding clowns of questionable integrity and competence) seem a lot more likeable than the "let's write the authoritative manual on modern organization and management techniques applied to EVE" goons that founded the CFC.



While I am sure it would please his ego to no end to hear that people think it was all Mittens, alas it was not.
Great management helps to be sure, but it was far more organic than that. What has happened at this point is you have had years of experience and war and planning and strategy and financial acumen built up into a veteran core.

It isn't any one person or strategy, but a small collective of extremely skilled (at their chosen playstyle) players that comprise the "management' of GSF. Which in turn rolls into CFC. If Mittens were to step down it would continue in much the same way, just like it has through many a CEO. So if it appears SERIOUS BUSINESS, well that is just because many of us are playing at a level most of EVE isn't playing at yet. Not some chestbeating thing, just why it may appear it is all serious business, when in fact we are just as hilarious, only in more shadowy ways the regular EVE player isn't going to see.

Goons didn't really grow up, so much as evolve into that creepy clown you think will molest your children. But still zany!

Maybe the impression that EVE is serious business to you is not so much due to your incredibly high level of play and your complex machinations (that most of your members don't take any conscious part in anyways) ... I think EVE became all serious business when EVE goons stopped being goons.

Goonswarm used to have a special outlook on EVE as you could honestly claim to care less about the game than most other groups playing it.

And why would you care? EVE is just another bad game that got picked up by the SA MMO community and which is only made enjoyable by having some like-minded goons to hang out with. You play it for a few months, then you grow bored (or get banned) and look for a different game that has a local goon clan/guild/corp which you can join. Maybe your actions did hurt the game, maybe the game will be dead in 2 years because the devs are bad or maybe you'll rediscover it when someone puts :effort: into writing a new OP a few months down the road. Who cares? it's not about the game, it's about the community.

Only in EVE goons turned out to be pretty successful and that changed everything as it lead to EVE goons becoming more and more invested into their game and eventually splitting away from the SA MMO community.

Nowadays goonfleet.com is not just a clan forum but is a forum community in its own right. EVE goons are members of goonfleet.com first and foremost and members of SA as a far second or not at all. Even when you play games other than EVE (WoT is a great example) you play them with your goonfleet.com bros rather than with SA goons.

The "problem" is that goonfleet.com is at its core all about EVE. It is very doubtful how much of the goonfleet.com community (that forms your direct peer group) would survive if it decided to leave EVE behind and play other games exclusively. You broke the barrier that separated "the game" and "the community".

At this point you are invested far too heavily into EVE to treat it as anything but serious business, just like all the other EVE alliances out there.


(yes, I realize that this is a different pov than the "all glory to dear leader" theory I advocated in my earlier post. doesn't mean either view has to be invalid.)


Again, that just doesn't match reality. Many of our directorate play PS2 with other SA goons, many of us migrated from SWG to here, where we were also very successful and dominated our chosen server. Heck, both myself and Mynnna were major players in SWG, myself running the corp itself at one point.

I understand your point that you think EVE goons are separate from SA, and in someways we are, but I will be playing many games down the road with SA goons, as well as EVE goons, and to me they are much the same.

We play EVE as it lets us play sociopaths in space. Not many games have the depth, or the developers who are willing, to let us actively explore the dark side of humanity. We stuck around as the sandbox in EVE allows things no other game does right now. Until that changes I expect we will stick around. While EVE is a truly awful game in many ways, they got the sandbox part right.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#91 - 2013-02-20 17:53:09 UTC
Mocam wrote:

That doesn't necessarily fit.

Just because a designer put a plan in place and others found a way around their plan... well claiming it's by intent from the get-go is like the cat that falls off a ledge and gives you that look like "yeah, I intended that to happen!" - sure...

Things can be designed one way and end up where they weren't planned on going. Sometimes this is good/delightful - other times it goes a bit too far and needs adjusting. As such I'd avoid assuming they "planned" on how things work -- probably some slack but not an intent that folks would choose to suicide their ships like they do.


Hey, so I see you're in Eve University. As part of your training today, I suggest you go research the founding of CCP and early development efforts. Extra Credit if you learn something about game design. You're welcome.

-Liang

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Grace Chang
Tyrannis Enterprises
#92 - 2013-02-20 18:00:44 UTC
Oxandrolone wrote:
Fozzie do you know of any CCP employeers who live in wormholes? Alot of wormholers feel very under-represented.



Iceland is wormhole space already. They got plenty of experience.
Agent Trask
Doomheim
#93 - 2013-02-20 18:03:10 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:


As a player, I was suicide ganking before it was cool. :hipster:

But as CCP employees we choose to stay towards the light side. It makes a refreshing change of pace for quite a few of us.


Suicide ganking IS the light side.

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State War Academy
#94 - 2013-02-20 18:10:40 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Quite a few of us play regularly. As noted above there are some aspects of gameplay that we do not engage in as part of a general policy (suicide ganking is one), we always do our best to understand every aspect of EVE.

Liang is correct that playing a lot of EVE can wear CCPers out sometimes, between the need for secrecy, looking at the same game in leisure as in work, and people bashing our effort. However the last part isn't generally that bad, people tend to be pretty reasonable when they don't think they have anyone to troll, and I know I've indulged in some tongue-in-cheek "What kind of idiots make this game" banter when I run into bugs we haven't fixed yet. Lol

But just like all forms of EVE burnout, the best cure is a short break to play some other games until the EVE itch returns.



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ISD Arkaroo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2013-02-20 21:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Arkaroo
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Potrondal Morrison wrote:
Hey Fozzie, do you or any of the CCP employee players offer a ISK doubling service in Jita?


We spam Polaris local with our amazing isk doubling offers all the time, sadly I've only caught CCP Foxfour so far.


I'd like you all to know I'm quitting eve, and giving away all my isk for 1 trit.

You will have to get it to Polaris though. Better be quick before someone else snaps up this amazing offer.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#96 - 2013-02-20 22:09:41 UTC
ISD Arkaroo wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Potrondal Morrison wrote:
Hey Fozzie, do you or any of the CCP employee players offer a ISK doubling service in Jita?


We spam Polaris local with our amazing isk doubling offers all the time, sadly I've only caught CCP Foxfour so far.


I'd like you all to know I'm quitting eve, and giving away all my isk for 1 trit.

You will have to get it to Polaris though. Better be quick before someone else snaps up this amazing offer.


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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2013-02-20 22:17:50 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:

- People can burn out (creatively speaking) if they play the same thing that they make, day in and day out. You'll find that many industries have lots of people who don't partake in said industry recreationally.
.



Like drug dealers? <.<

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2013-02-20 22:26:24 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
As noted above there are some aspects of gameplay that we do not engage in as part of a general policy (suicide ganking is one), we always do our best to understand every aspect of EVE.


This is a travesty :mad:!

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Mizara's Dollhouse
#99 - 2013-02-20 22:43:53 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
would you people make up your minds if we're stunningly incompetent or so well organized even our forum posting is coordinated


Mondays and Tuesdays are sheepish coordination, Wednesdays are "Release Days" when organization is thrown to the winds and they become incompetent. Thursdays are random and up to Mittens mood.

Friday is poker night, and Saturday is the booze-induced orgy.

Nobody plays on Sunday, because hangover and STD tests. Anyone who wants to attack them, there you go: Sunday is the day to do it.

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Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2013-02-20 23:31:38 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
CCP developers do play Eve, and are present in all walks of life in the game.


Except, according to CCP Fozzie, suicide ganking.

CCP Fozzie wrote:
As a player, I was suicide ganking before it was cool. :hipster:

But as CCP employees we choose to stay towards the light side. It makes a refreshing change of pace for quite a few of us.


If CCP employees were allowed to participate in all aspects of the game anonymously (except for maybe being at the head of a huge alliance) then they would be able to see how much of a sad state the game is in right now. The result of CCP's outright stupid choice to remain on "the light side of things" as they call it has led to silly implementations such as the FW exploit (which they were warned about & did it anyway), the Technetium buff of Dec 2009 (which they were also warned about, but surprise surprise, ignored the playerbase) & the poor implementation of the barge buff.


I read Fozzie's explanation as a "choice". You'll note that she says that they choose to stay towards the "light side" of play, meaning thye have no requirement to adhere to it. Sounds like peer pressure to me!

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