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Latest in a long line of small gang PVP nerfs...
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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#161 - 2013-02-20 20:50:17 UTC
Hamatitio wrote:
I like what they've done so far, the drake and hurricane were good... A little too good. They stated in the dev blog that they couldn't bring all BCs to the level of the drake and hurricane, because that would make the cruisers they just finished balancing pointless again.

They needed to bring them down a little bit, and I'm personally glad they brought the other ones up.

When was the last time you saw a prophecy in game? And the myrmidon can now field 5 heavy / sentry drones 4, so its actually better than a vexor. edit: in the drone department

Tiericide is good for EVE, it brings more viable ships to the table, and from what I've seen opens up for a variety of fittings, and not the same old setups we've had for 3-4 years now.

Edited for being bad at math and conceding defeat to the obvious myrm flyers out there :)


I find comments like this funny - terricide did not make more ships viable - rather it simply reshuffled the deck. In case you didnt notice the new FOTM for bc's now is the brutix. Worse terricide took most of the players choice out of the process of fitting the ships. Most of these ships only have one correct way to be fitted and/or used now - ships are missile ships or projectile ships shield ships, armor ships, etc. . . Possibilities for innovation have been removed/limited. Ultimately terricide is about restricting player choice and removing sand from the box, which is bad for a game that markets itself as a sandbox.

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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#162 - 2013-02-20 20:51:12 UTC
Funny. Just did a year of small gang PVP without flying either drake or cane. What did I miss?...What?

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HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#163 - 2013-02-20 20:54:50 UTC
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#164 - 2013-02-20 20:57:00 UTC
So basically because two BCs got brought down to be in line with ALL THE OTHER BCS, small gangs have been nerfed.

And because some frigates were underpowered and got buffed, suddenly everything is no-skill "orbit and F1" PVP.

OP is whining because his ship of choice got hit with a nerfbat.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#165 - 2013-02-20 21:01:12 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
terricide took most of the players choice out of the process of fitting the ships. Most of these ships only have one correct way to be fitted and/or used now - ships are missile ships or projectile ships shield ships, armor ships, etc. . . Possibilities for innovation have been removed/limited.


I disagree. The BCs have ALWAYS had specific weapon and tank roles, and your fitting options were always generally limited to the balance of gank and tank. I'm going to be looking at the new BCs over the next few days specifically to find some out-of-the-box fits, and I promise you there will be some good ones. Give it a month and you'll see just as much variety in fits as before; possibly more considering some of the changes to armor.

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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#166 - 2013-02-20 21:20:07 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
In case you didnt notice the new FOTM for bc's now is the brutix.

Riiiight. Obviously the new meta has fully developed in the single day since the patch came out, and you're the only one who's been brilliant enough to see it Roll
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#167 - 2013-02-20 21:29:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
The Drake needed balancing.

Folks bitching today, in most cases, likely weren't around when the Drake was actually much, much tougher. Not including the far more recent changes to heavy missiles, there was also (if memory serves) a change to the shield recharge rate and another change to it's base shield capacity.

Like it or don't, and I'm a little PO'd myself, it still had to be done. Have a large alcoholic beverage to salute the "Days of Yore" and get over it. Blink

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Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
#168 - 2013-02-20 21:42:26 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:


-Liang


No, really?

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#169 - 2013-02-20 22:03:50 UTC
Davion Falcon wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:


-Liang


No, really?


Congratulations, you are Eve Forum User #70344334663945612347 to comment on that. None of the others were able to accomplish their goal either. You lose. Would you like to play again?

-Liang

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#170 - 2013-02-20 22:06:12 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
The Drake needed balancing.

Folks bitching today, in most cases, likely weren't around when the Drake was actually much, much tougher. Not including the far more recent changes to heavy missiles, there was also (if memory serves) a change to the shield recharge rate and another change to it's base shield capacity.

Like it or don't, and I'm a little PO'd myself, it still had to be done. Have a large alcoholic beverage to salute the "Days of Yore" and get over it. Blink

What I find funny about it is he starts off ranting about how "some ships required skill to fly" and then goes on to say that nerfing the two most OP battlecruisers was a terrible idea. Heaven forbid CCP make other stuff viable to fight against his ship of choice.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#171 - 2013-02-20 22:10:16 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

What I find funny about it is he starts off ranting about how "some ships required skill to fly" and then goes on to say that nerfing the two most OP battlecruisers was a terrible idea. Heaven forbid CCP make other stuff viable to fight against his ship of choice.


I didn't notice it at first because of who introduced the thread, but this thread is not actually about battlecruisers.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#172 - 2013-02-20 22:15:21 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
So basically because two BCs got brought down to be in line with ALL THE OTHER BCS, small gangs have been nerfed.

And because some frigates were underpowered and got buffed, suddenly everything is no-skill "orbit and F1" PVP.

OP is whining because his ship of choice got hit with a nerfbat.
The really hilarious part about this is that it wasn't much of a nerf. From where I sit, it actually looks like a buff: Trade a bit of tank and velocity for the ability to punch much harder in-close. I win. Cool

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#173 - 2013-02-20 22:22:58 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
So basically because two BCs got brought down to be in line with ALL THE OTHER BCS, small gangs have been nerfed.

And because some frigates were underpowered and got buffed, suddenly everything is no-skill "orbit and F1" PVP.

OP is whining because his ship of choice got hit with a nerfbat.
The really hilarious part about this is that it wasn't much of a nerf. From where I sit, it actually looks like a buff: Trade a bit of tank and velocity for the ability to punch much harder in-close. I win. Cool



This
Even if Hurricane got a very little nerf bat it was necessary, this ship is still very competitive be it armor or shield tank and can do exactly the same thing it did before except for the loss of one med neutralizer that could in a single run cap dry small ships a-la-god-mode.
This change was needed, I fly those as much as I can because this ship is just amazing, and I'll keep flying them.

Drake from where I stand I couldn't agree more with Silens, a very smart change offering newer as older players a very good platform for pvp solo, small gang and fleets still ! -how to not like it?

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#174 - 2013-02-20 22:25:01 UTC
Posting in a epic noobzor thread.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#175 - 2013-02-20 22:25:04 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

What I find funny about it is he starts off ranting about how "some ships required skill to fly" and then goes on to say that nerfing the two most OP battlecruisers was a terrible idea. Heaven forbid CCP make other stuff viable to fight against his ship of choice.


I didn't notice it at first because of who introduced the thread, but this thread is not actually about battlecruisers.

-Liang

I think someone may be getting what this is all about. Enlighten us, please?

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#176 - 2013-02-20 22:33:16 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

What I find funny about it is he starts off ranting about how "some ships required skill to fly" and then goes on to say that nerfing the two most OP battlecruisers was a terrible idea. Heaven forbid CCP make other stuff viable to fight against his ship of choice.


I didn't notice it at first because of who introduced the thread, but this thread is not actually about battlecruisers.

-Liang

I think someone may be getting what this is all about. Enlighten us, please?


It's way more fun if I don't. Lol

-Liang

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#177 - 2013-02-20 22:36:50 UTC
So now that Drakefleet is no longer an option, what do the almighty always-right forum warriors of GD recommend that my corp use for FW roams?

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#178 - 2013-02-20 22:46:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So now that Drakefleet is no longer an option, what do the almighty always-right forum warriors of GD recommend that my corp use for FW roams?


I enjoyed the Slasher roam you guys did, personally. I think you should have had some people fit MWDs though.

-Liang

Ed: Also, Inty/Bomber roams are always pretty fun. I've been looking at doing a Malediction roam too.

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Xessej
Perkone
Caldari State
#179 - 2013-02-20 22:56:24 UTC
So getting a damage buff and a utility high is a nerf of the drake? I'm puzzled. Could it fit a DDD before and no one told me?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#180 - 2013-02-20 23:05:37 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Like it or don't, and I'm a little PO'd myself, it still had to be done. Have a large alcoholic beverage to salute the "Days of Yore" and get over it. Blink

Well obviously that's what we'll have to do because CCP is resolute to ruin Eve, but that doesn't mean we cannot complain about it as well -- despite what the HTFU crowd here on the forums thinks.

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