EVE General Discussion

No. Again, talking about experience with noobs.
There are LOTS of terrible CEOs out there that just ask people to join their corp,
just so the members number increases. These people are completely left alone !

There are way too many bittervets ruining noobs by not showing them ALL the possibilities,
but instead making them mining or mission running for isk, which are the most boring thing to do !
That's not eve my words. I get this from noobs who have flown with me. A lot !

Oh lookie... someone else got a "day pass" for the 'Net...

Rather than try to catch up on this, I'm just going to pitch in by telling my own story.

I started play Eve with four real-life friends. We made our own corp and explored the game. We did a pretty fair job of figuring things out for ourselves, but there were whole areas that we simply didn't understand. We were surprised by aggression mechanics, wars, locator agents, and various other things that could have been avoided with the counsel of someone with a little experience. And the sad thing is, after all the infiltrations, wars, ganks, and scams I've executed on the sort of people Monk is ranting about, I've come to realize that a small band of noobs with no help fared better than much larger groups run by people who have played the game much longer.

Now, to those saying that veteran players would just take advantage of noobs: I disagree. Monk and the rest of the Skunks took me on as a novice to PVP. I had the attitude they were looking for and they were willing to teach me because of that. I walked into a den of thieves asking for lessons...and they taught me.

It becomes increasingly apparent to me that corporations and alliances that focus on PVE content are composed of incredibly self-serving people. Their mentality of treating the wallet balance as a high score leads to decisions to abandon people in need and a crippling inability to defend themselves for fear of losing. I've seen Belligerents fly 20+ jumps to help out people they barely know, for no reason other than because we enjoy playing the game the same way. It's truly enlightening to see the "bad guy" community of highsec engage in more cooperation and support of each other than most corporations manage.

There are days that I think about forming my own more "traditional" highsec corp. One full of miners and mission runners and incursion fleets. I'd teach them how to properly conduct themselves in such a way that they could eventually transition into low/null/w-space, or stay in highsec and survive in the face of ganks and wardecs and griefers and the New Order. But the more I think about it, the more it sounds like a job.

No.

You assume that the new player did actually ask for your advice, in which case you would be right, but you should also point out the option to create a new corp and to leave the final decision to the new player.

You should not make the decision for him, but only help him to make a sound decision. Do not let your own personal experience, if positive or negative, mislead you in your judgement, which is what you do when you do not show him all the options but only tell the new player what you believe is best for him. He needs to make this decision for himself.

If the first step is done wrong, then it might well be because the new player was given expectations he should not have, like saying a new corp is good for this and that reason and then it turns out to be untrue in his case.

'Advice' seems to be another word you have trouble with.

Oh, do not get me wrong. Medical doctors do get to work on a lot of dead bodies before they are allowed to work on the living.

No, I don't. Are you disagreeing again?

Methinks you don't understand my point.

Your typical family doctor isn't going to have a lot of dead bodies. They treat mostly-healthy people.

Oncologists treat cancer patients.

Which one is the more competent doctor? The one with the lowest mortality rate?

Likewise, Monk's corp history is irrelevant here, because you don't understand what it is he was doing in those corps. He has been my CEO for almost two years now, even when we were both in non-Skunkworks corporations.

I think any literate person can understand that Monk's point isn't that ALL noob corps are bad, but that a LOT of them are. In my own experience, I was quite happy with the corp I started in; we learned a lot together and had fun. But that's the thing: we did stuff together. We explored new things. We started off running missions together. Then we discovered salvaging, which led us to manufacturing, which led us to researching, which got us interested in mining (so we could build more things). After a while we got into exploration and then daytripping in wormholes.

But most highsec corps I've seen operate do so in one of two ways: either as the CEO dictates with no effort by the others to explore other options in the game, or piecemeal with everyone doing their own thing and no one sharing information. When I'm actively attacking people on a heavily-used route and other members of that alliance are using the same route, there's something wrong...either the last person to die didn't report my location, or the next person to die ignored the intel and blundered into me. If I were running that alliance, any member who neglected to pass on or heed wartime intel would be kicked. Not because I care about killboards or war reports, but because I have no tolerance for idiots.