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Incursion, what and why
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#41 - 2013-02-20 20:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Highsec is not totally safe, deal with it. Sansha NPCs have been in highsec for years, they didn't magically appear with incursions. Incursions are an invasion, do you expect them to shoot you with cuddly toys and flowers?

Trendon Evenstar wrote:
The entitlement in this thread is mindblowing

I'm not sure if entitled or just hard of thinking, either way it's not good.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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kinadyan
Get Minning and Sons
#42 - 2013-02-20 20:18:15 UTC
Itazukii Kumori wrote:
kinadyan wrote:
Itazukii Kumori wrote:
So in essence you want CCP to cater to your needs even if other people enjoy incursions, hisec pvp and ganking etc. I'm sorry but you are not a unique and special snowflake.

You have a choice in this matter
a: Play EvE the way CCP intended to cater to the playerbase as a WHOLE as well as their vision for the game
b: Find a different game which caters more to your needs.


You are quite arrogant if you believe that your needs/desires for gameplay supersedes others'. I personally enjoy incursions, hisec pvp, ganking as well as mining - so what makes your needs more important than mine?


so what u are say is you fall under the chicken caragory of play that wont just leave it in .4 space or less u force other to play your game even if they dont want to



I find it very amusing that that is the only part of my argument you address. Am I right to assume that you therefore unable to form a rational argument agains the bulk of my response?

I foray into lowsec and nullsec as well, however I was addressing hisec pvp since you mentioned it.

Perhaps we could look forward to a more coherent response from yourself actually dealing with the issue at hand rather than regurgitating arguments which other people have already made. Although I am starting to believe you are incapable of such an act.

As such I won't be wasting any more of my time in responding to this thread; as you will clearly never understand nor provide a substantial counter argument.


i sorry i thought i did adress most of it but i will try and do a better job. your tell me that it is wrong for me to want ccp to make the game more friendly for the way i want to play. not realizing your self that there maybe more out like me that just leave the game or dont say anything because they get tore up on the chat boards. but at the same time you are perficaly happy to force other around you to play your game when engage in pvp with them. then have the ball to tell me that i am wrong when all i want is a choise to join an incursion the same way you do in the Factional warfare
kinadyan
Get Minning and Sons
#43 - 2013-02-20 20:23:22 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Highsec is not totally safe, deal with it. Sansha NPCs have been in highsec for years, they didn't magically appear with incursions. Incursions are an invasion, do you expect them to shoot you with cuddly toys and flowers?

Trendon Evenstar wrote:
The entitlement in this thread is mindblowing

I'm not sure if entitled or just hard of thinking, either way it's not good.


i understand that but may rat that i delt with over night went from 3 frigets to 1bs 3 curser 2 firigets and the fire power in 1 shot was half the shield on my hulk
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#44 - 2013-02-20 20:35:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
Op there is like 5 infected systems for few days..deal with it just move next system, rock is same in all systems.

And from that five u hit AS or HQ system where rats have strong dps and from that 5 system not one use scram or point..your fault going with no tank like blind dude in belt and failing to survive nothing kept u there...nothing.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-02-20 20:35:15 UTC
Stubbornness is no excuse to try and fail at getting ccp to nerf popular content.

Like others have said, move. You would have to move if some other corp mined the belts out of existence anyways what is the difference from that and having to move to avoid the evil Sansha incursions?

You keep claiming that you might not be the only one that feels the way you do, and I have to say that this is untrue. Because the majority of miners probably do not mind moving. Even the mining bots move sometimes. I'd love to witness a Sansha hot drop on an ice belt full of bots.

I for one see having Battleship rats in high sec belts for limited times a plus. Battleships are a better use of ammo than the usual belt rats in faction rookie ships.

You can always take over my rookie ship manufacturing business, don't have to move during an incursion to do that =).
kinadyan
Get Minning and Sons
#46 - 2013-02-20 20:36:24 UTC
Chandaris wrote:
let's all just collectively wardec and suicide gank this individual until he 'gets it'


and prove my point again that people have been ran out of the game by pvper and are if they do say anything that is out of line u make there life misable. if that happen and i would just turn off my acounts and you would be sucseful in ruening the time me and my boys spend togerther. i like eve because it have a real time market and is a grate way to teach them about economic. and get them to math and reseach. so the game can meen more to people the just combat. and i would hope that ccp would give players away out of incursion like u have for factional warfear
kinadyan
Get Minning and Sons
#47 - 2013-02-20 20:39:08 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Stubbornness is no excuse to try and fail at getting ccp to nerf popular content.

Like others have said, move. You would have to move if some other corp mined the belts out of existence anyways what is the difference from that and having to move to avoid the evil Sansha incursions?

You keep claiming that you might not be the only one that feels the way you do, and I have to say that this is untrue. Because the majority of miners probably do not mind moving. Even the mining bots move sometimes. I'd love to witness a Sansha hot drop on an ice belt full of bots.

I for one see having Battleship rats in high sec belts for limited times a plus. Battleships are a better use of ammo than the usual belt rats in faction rookie ships.

You can always take over my rookie ship manufacturing business, don't have to move during an incursion to do that =).
kinadyan
Get Minning and Sons
#48 - 2013-02-20 20:44:01 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Stubbornness is no excuse to try and fail at getting ccp to nerf popular content.

Like others have said, move. You would have to move if some other corp mined the belts out of existence anyways what is the difference from that and having to move to avoid the evil Sansha incursions?

You keep claiming that you might not be the only one that feels the way you do, and I have to say that this is untrue. Because the majority of miners probably do not mind moving. Even the mining bots move sometimes. I'd love to witness a Sansha hot drop on an ice belt full of bots.

I for one see having Battleship rats in high sec belts for limited times a plus. Battleships are a better use of ammo than the usual belt rats in faction rookie ships.

You can always take over my rookie ship manufacturing business, don't have to move during an incursion to do that =).


By the way i dont bot mine i run usely running more then one toon at a time in the morrings when my boys r getting ready for school or gone i run them all
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#49 - 2013-02-20 20:44:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Dravius
kinadyan wrote:
I have been out of the game for a few years and I don’t fully understand what an incursion dose to a system. I do know that I lost 3 hulks do to my ignorance and almost my Orca, do to the fact that the rats in the belts were not the normal rats I was use to. I have accepted the fact that I have to deal with greefers and other people that are looking for a fight in high sec.. I worked my concord faction to lower this problem. I have accepted that fact that if I want to build anything that I must pay a high price for low sec. ore. I have no want to pvp or have to deal with low sec. rats in my belts in high sec. I have 4 account (costing me 60$ us ) so me and my sons can play together and all we do is mine and mission. And it is bowling my mind that CCP would cater so much to pvp player or player that r to chicken ___t to move to low sec. and play that they bring low sec to high sec for them. I would love to see the # of account that are not active just because CCP dose not realize that not everyone wants this kind of game play. Ugh

You're half right. CCP should move incursions out of high sec, but you're wrong in blaming us. It was your fellow carebears who wanted incursions.

kinadyan wrote:
not everyone wants this kind of game play.

Too bad this isn't a single player game. You should go try SWTOR. It's trying its best to pretend to be one.

kinadyan wrote:
By the way i dont bot mine i run usely running more then one toon at a time in the morrings when my boys r getting ready for school or gone i run them all

Please tell me English isn't your primary language. If it is then you shouldn't be reproducing.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#50 - 2013-02-20 20:47:57 UTC
Joran Dravius wrote:
ccount that are not active just because CCP dose not realize that not everyone wants this kind of game play. Ugh

You're half right. CCP should move incursions out of high sec, but you're wrong in blaming us. It was your fellow carebears who wanted incursions.[/quote]

If they moved them out of highsec, they would never get run. The risk inherant in running them in lowsec is too great when compared to the isk gained from running them. They would have to tip the margins substantially to make it worth it.

Also, highsec was screaming for 'group up/fleet up' content, and CCP delivered in a very ingenous way.

this guy is whining because he dosn't want to fly a couple jumps for a handful of days in a game that is all about FLYING SPACESHIPS.. it's kinda pathetic.

Eve is a PVP game, in highsec, lowsec, nullsec.. It has always been about overcoming the adversity that other players, and the environment throw at you.

OP should go play the X series. They would be more his speed.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-02-20 20:48:56 UTC
TL;DR I refuse to adapt so I am going to make CCP change EvE to suit my needs. I don't care about the incursion runners, I just want to mine all day. Sad

I'm an incursion runner. Go get a battleship, join a good fleet, and run them. Makes more ISK in 7 minutes than you can make in an entire hour orca/hulk mining.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-02-20 20:50:35 UTC
Chandaris wrote:
If they moved them out of highsec, they would never get run. The risk inherant in running them in lowsec is too great when compared to the isk gained from running them.

They'd get run in null.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#53 - 2013-02-20 20:53:26 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
kinadyan wrote:
you know out of all the responce no has mentioned my question about how much money ccp has lost do to the fact there r alot of people out there that think like me, and have just left the game.


Dear God, I do honestly hope you're trolling (i'd give good odds that's what this is), because you've damn near used every tired high sec argument for safety/entitlement I've ever seen on this forum.



Yup.

I'm over it.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
kinadyan
Get Minning and Sons
#54 - 2013-02-20 20:53:47 UTC
kinadyan wrote:
not everyone wants this kind of game play.

Too bad this isn't a single player game. You should go try SWTOR. It's trying its best to pretend to be one.[/quote]

Not sure if it was the care bears it may be the wantabes to cowerdly to fight for there spot in low sec. so the ***** wined and complained till ccp changed the game for them. and now i am say keep the rats out of high sec belt they tell me i dont have a right to ask the of ccp it dose not stop the insursion it just make it so i dont have to do 20 jump in my freifgter to move my **** around so i can build. and play with the market
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#55 - 2013-02-20 20:53:53 UTC
Joran Dravius wrote:
[quote=Chandaris]They'd get run in null.


Yes well, null is it's own private carebear land these days, speaking of broken things in EVE that severely need fixing.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#56 - 2013-02-20 20:54:31 UTC
Chandaris wrote:
you aren't getting it mate. incursions are primarly a highsec activity, that were created to give something to people like you to do other than just mine and mission.

i give up this guy is hopeless.



Nope. He's Canadian (pronounce his name carefully).

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#57 - 2013-02-20 20:56:21 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Chandaris wrote:
you aren't getting it mate. incursions are primarly a highsec activity, that were created to give something to people like you to do other than just mine and mission.

i give up this guy is hopeless.



Nope. He's Canadian (pronounce his name carefully).


I'm canadian you git!!! Lol
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#58 - 2013-02-20 20:56:42 UTC
kinadyan wrote:
Chandaris wrote:
kinadyan wrote:
And there you go missing my point again i dont combat that fun i love the market and building. i need to mine to get the ore to build and sale what i build and think that ccp could keep the incusion RAT out of the high sec belts. they have giving me away to deal with pvper and i do mission to up my faction to they dont bother me. but there is no way for me to deal with Rats out side of move or not log in witch is bs


Sure there is a way to deal with the belt rats. Get a couple friends in a small tanked gang to kill them for you, or jump out of the constellation, or run the incursion to get rid of it faster.

They are giving you plenty of options, just not the options that *you* want.


lol why should i have to in .7 space deal with rat that belong in null sec if i want to i would move down to null sec and do it



I've not heard such ranting in 3 years over something that's actually just temporary.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
kinadyan
Get Minning and Sons
#59 - 2013-02-20 20:56:55 UTC
Joran Dravius wrote:
kinadyan wrote:
I have been out of the game for a few years and I don’t fully understand what an incursion dose to a system. I do know that I lost 3 hulks do to my ignorance and almost my Orca, do to the fact that the rats in the belts were not the normal rats I was use to. I have accepted the fact that I have to deal with greefers and other people that are looking for a fight in high sec.. I worked my concord faction to lower this problem. I have accepted that fact that if I want to build anything that I must pay a high price for low sec. ore. I have no want to pvp or have to deal with low sec. rats in my belts in high sec. I have 4 account (costing me 60$ us ) so me and my sons can play together and all we do is mine and mission. And it is bowling my mind that CCP would cater so much to pvp player or player that r to chicken ___t to move to low sec. and play that they bring low sec to high sec for them. I would love to see the # of account that are not active just because CCP dose not realize that not everyone wants this kind of game play. Ugh

You're half right. CCP should move incursions out of high sec, but you're wrong in blaming us. It was your fellow carebears who wanted incursions.

kinadyan wrote:
not everyone wants this kind of game play.

Too bad this isn't a single player game. You should go try SWTOR. It's trying its best to pretend to be one.

kinadyan wrote:
By the way i dont bot mine i run usely running more then one toon at a time in the morrings when my boys r getting ready for school or gone i run them all

Please tell me English isn't your primary language. If it is then you shouldn't be reproducing.

thank you i have disabled go head and make fun nice
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-02-20 20:58:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Dravius
Chandaris wrote:
Yes well, null is it's own private carebear land these days, speaking of broken things in EVE that severely need fixing.

Oh I agree. The system encourages too much complacency. I'm very much in favor of a design that provides more motivation to fight.

kinadyan wrote:

thank you i have disabled go head and make fun nice

Did your disability make you ignore spell check? Anyway, I wasn't making fun of you. I was stating a fact.