Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wait, so you want to say that industrialists, because they don't like COMBAT pvp shouldn't have to compete?

Highsec should be smaller. It should be jampacked with the amount of highsec pilots currently flying around. Pack em in like sardines!

PVP is many many many different kinds of interaction and competition. Having that multiboxing mining fleet stripping belts like a madman shouldn't have it so easy. There should be like 20 miners per system starving for rocks.

Asteroid belts NEED to look like ice belts. Non highsec belts NEED to have the larger nomnomnom rocks while highsec has pebbles.

I don't think nullsec needs to have industry revamped (Diff thread please don't let this be a derail) but I seriously think the size area and mass of highsec is too much. We NEED the trade routes and chokepoints and DIFFICULTY of different sec space interacting to make it one universe successfully.

There is a way for you to go about your business unmolested. It's called outsmarting your enemy. Oh wait, you want CCP to do it for you or you'll quit.



They have repeatedly while blatantly ignoring the areas of the game that they've broken, which caused people that previously lived in nullsec or lowsec to migrate to highsec in the first place because it's now the best place to make money.

I don't want to have any enemies. I don't want to have to outsmart anyone. I want it to be a relaxing diversion, not work.

I want to log in, mine for a few hours, maybe kick off a few manufacturing jobs, and generally go about my business unmolested.


THIS is why CCP created highsec, why they created CONCORD, why they buffed the tank on exhumers, why they have NPC corps, etc, etc, etc.

CCP wants people like me playing this game too!!!!

There are areas of teh game for ship-to-ship PVPers. There are areas of the game for carebears.

The PVPers need to stop focusing on "fixing" a non-broken high sec. The need to stop focusing on how to mess with carebears. They need to stop worrying about how the carebears like me choose to play the game. CCP is never going to make changes that will force me, and the large number of players like me, to quit the game.

Spend your time figuring out how to better PVP against the other players that enjoy PVP.

Stopped reading right there.

Mr Epeen

THEY ARE PLAYING!!!!!!

They are playing EXACTLY how THEY enjoy playing.

Why do you care if I sit in my high sec belt, switching rocks, dragging ore to the orca, while watching something on TV?

Why does that bother you so much?


If the answer has ANYTHING to do with, I want them to be doing XYZ instead, and that XYZ is anything other than quitting and lowering CCP's revenue, then you have NO POWER to make them do XYZ.

They will play the game the way they want to play it, or they will quit. CCP doesn't want them to quit, so will ensure that these people can continue to PLAY HOWEVER THEY WANT TO!

You people need to stop worrying about what the high sec industrialists do while playing EVE, and worry a heck-a lot more about figuring out how you can better enjoy a game that doesn't involve messing with carebears for giggles and eppen.

I enjoy the complexity of the resource gathering, manufacturing, player driven market. I enjoy hanging out with friends, whether that just be BSing on Team Speak while across the region from each other, emptying system of roids together, or running a few mission for stress relief and profits.

I enjoy being part of a larger group working toward a common goal, like maybe acquiring a full set of BPOs, going into the capital manufacturing business, cornering a certain market in a certain region, etc.





Do you know how little profit there is in AFK ice mining? Not even worth it to me. I actively mine belts, run missions, play the market, research, manufacture, and a wide variety of other activities to "work for" my isk.





I've never been against buffs to low and null. I see no reason they couldn't have rock in low produce, say, 2x the minerals of high sec, and null produce 4x as much.

The result would be that... well... the null bears would mine the heck, produce a bunch more mins, crush the price. The price of PLEX would crash along with the mineral price, so I'd still be playing the same number of hours to PLEX my accounts.


What I'm opposed to is the major nerfs to high sec that people like to call for as a way to FORCE carebears to engage in more conflict Things like removing NPC corps, making in possible to avoid CONCORD after you've ganked someone, Or even like the OP of this thread suggests, reduce the number of high sec systems to 20-something total high sec systems.

You can't force high sec carebears out of high sec in any way other than causing them to quit the game. CCP is not going to allow that.

Wow, this sounds like great fun! Where you guys hang out at, I'd love to come mine with you! Who's your main/corp so I can look you up!

Now connect the dots. Why is there little profit in ice mining?

Because highsec players are able to participate in market PVP without having to participate in the rest of the game that comes with it. If there is no real way to stop players from artificially affecting the market, then prices will stay low no matter what, the cost of ice being ridiculously cheap is offloaded to higher PLEX prices, causing players who do other things but can barely afford the PLEX in the first place being forced to quit.

You shouldn't be allowed to live in your own little bubble when you play the game (hidden under the guise of "the way casuals want to play"), because every action you take eventually has a ripple effect through the game. The ripple effect in this case ruining ice mining as a profession game-wide.

Not really if I never get to do what I like because I'd have to always be fighting for the opportunity to maybe get to do it. If your plan has it's desired affects those who don't desire combat would have far more reason to retreat to NPC corps and if that was eliminated simply stay docked as the area they operate in, and thus the area they can act in while avoiding pursuers intent on ganking or hunting war targets is greatly reduced.

Imagine ur a new player again, u undock and warp to a gate to go to the amarr mision hub, along the way u see 700 other players. .. wow that ship looks badass I wanna fly that
I would like to see jita and amarr split by low sec same as dodixie and rens. U wanna run ammo from one to the other well theres arisk now but a possible big profit