EVE General Discussion

Possibly. And that may help you when being wardecced, but what happens when I show up to your mining op as a corpie with a mega and destroy an Orca and five Hulks?

(For the record, your options include don't recruit me in the first place, start to ask questions when you see a Mega in the fleet comp window, leave as quickly as possible, have some ECM on the field, even if it's not in a dedicated overwatch ship, or have someone hold me long enough to get into combat ships and murder me.)

Also, everyone seems to have some kind of crazy aversion to hiring mercs. I don't get it. Is it because it effects the number in your wallet that you treat as a high score?

I was with you up until this point here.....





I don't think anyone is telling the new players this stuff.

The big established corps do have skill point limits, but that has nothing to do with ability and everything to do with weeding out spies, alts, griefers, etc.

They are told not to fly anything they can't afford to lose, but a cheap frig is like million, with a decent fit, and you get most of that back should you lose it in combat.

When I've run new player corps, I was very clear in my advertising what type of corporation I was looking to run. HIGH SEC, INDUSTRIAL CORP, looking to mine, manufacture, avoid conflict and maximize profits. So, the people I had contacting me about applying had already SELF-DECIDED that they didn't want to play this game in an aggressive, competitive manner.

I was always very clear with them that there was another whole side of the game that involved going out and trying to ruin other players' days, and that play style is perfectly legitimate play style option.


Several times I've been in corps run by others where they gathered high sec industrialists, then after they had a critical mass, started bringing in PVPers in preparation for moving to low/null. Every time, as soon as the PVPers start stirring up trouble and causing war dec, the hard core industrialists drop corp into a more peaceful corp.


PEOPLE know their own interests much more than you give them credit for, and in fact, they know themselves MUCH better than you know them.

Some people hear that EVE is a great PVP game, and when they get into the game, they go looking for a PVP training corp. Other hear that EVE has this really complex materials, research, manufacturing, player driven market, etc. When they come into the game, they go looking for a high sec, industrial corporation.


The problem comes when the PVPers think they know better what "EVE is about" and think they can dictate to others, how those others should play this game.


EVE is ABOUT, playing the game however YOU enjoy playing it.

Interesting.

Am i forcing people to play by "my rules" because i teach them not to be afk in space,
because else i'll blow their ******* head off ? Oh hell yes, i do. And i'm good at it too !

MANY people have stopped being afk in space or autopiloting. They are telling me ! lol
It went so far that some random who saw me paniced and warped off, just because i was around in a frig, hauling stuff.

I really don't see the issue of forcing whatever the hell i want onto anybody, as long as i keep it ingame.
Ingame. Not out of game. Only cowards try dealing with things out of game, because they could easily to it
within the virtual reality we all play in.

It's a game, it gives me the freedom to play it like a virtual reality unlike any other game out there,
so i play it to it's fullest potential. Well ... almost ... but you'd wish that will never happen.

It is literally happening, yes. I've seen internal mails from corps I've decced to not undock anything for the entire duration of the war because if they lose something it will encourage other people to also dec them. It is a sad, ****** state of affairs.

You say industrialists don't want to play in an aggressive manner. That's fine. But there isn't an opt out of PvP button. It will find you. This is a game where one of the central pillars is competition. Encouraging bright-eyed newbies to shackle themselves in fear and ignorance is not the solution. That way just leads to defeat and people hating this game because they feel powerless.

My OP in this is my trying to tell people to stop stealing newbie's power. They could be incredibly capable if only they weren't being weighed down by poor information and poor leadership.

The fool is the one who keeps arguing over what is blatantly obvious when in fact there is no argument. I did not see me disagreeing to your "undeniable fact". I sure do not want to follow you when you get lost in your own conversation.

And you say I'm the one getting lost.

Do you disagree?

Theres this game called Eveonline, its a sandbox, that means players can do whatever they want within reason and as long as they follow the EULA. It has worked well for some 10 years and theres always people whom think they can improve it buy suggesting how people should play in said "sandbox". The reason this game has survived is because most people ignore these players and contuniue playing the way they want. Thats why the game has survived for 10 years

When you, as a terrible CEO, make a corp, you're not potentially wasting your own play time, you're actively harming those around you. So yes, your correct. It's not that you can't, it's that please don't.

And yes, you have a right to play however you like. And I do, too. And my play is to crush your play. I'm not telling you how to play so much as I'm begging you to stop harming this game by making terrible players.

A terrible CEO will not be able to get many people to join his corp, nor will he be able to carry momentum to continue growing the corp.