EVE General Discussion

A kitchen worker at Halliburton isn't an immortal pod pilot in command of some of the greatest machines known to man. A capsuleer can be effective while risking a t1 cruiser or frig, which can cost as little as 2 million isk. A Halliburton employee risks his life.

Ignorance isn't a playstyle. Neither is a choice made in ignorance much of a choice.

Me. This may come as a surprise to you, but Eve had a beta. Experienced players were forming corps on the very first day of launch.


In case you haven't noticed, the entire Caldari state is made up of corporations. Pony Express couriers were armed IRL. Being a corporation doesn't mean you don't fight.


Someone who speaks the English language. Ignorant means you don't have knowledge about something. New players are ignorant. That's what makes them new players. When they've been playing long enough to be knowledgeable they're not new players anymore.

Enforcing your view of EVE upon others is part of the game it's one of the reasons its fun to play. You can try to enforce it on someone else and they can resist. If you take on more than you can handle you might end up being the one who has a view of EVE enforced upon yourself. See: miners vs. "The New Order" saga for examples.

But the majority of RL corporations don't do any fighting, they rely on the state or specialist corporations to do it.

Anyway its just semantics, not important. Corps are called corps because its more sci-fi than guilds.

I love it when people trot out the, "as a paying customer..." thing, as if they've never read the EULA. Your right to form a corp when you don't necessarily need to be forming one is not something that's a God-given right. You give CCP money, you get to play their game as they see fit.

There are some very good arguments to be made for making it harder to form a corporation. This game is difficult, and when noob-corps vaccuum up newbies like it's no tomorrow, they're setting these new players up for failure.

The reason eve has such a relatively low newbie retention rate is because nobody really knows what they're doing. Goons had to make their own wiki, and add knowledge about the game to it as they were able. Our wiki was better than any resource for eve online for ages. When a noob asks other noobs to follow them, they just set themselves up for disaster.

There should at least be a few months worth of training required before a corporation can even be formed. It's silly that CCP is losing customers because idiots take them under their wing and completely destroy their ability to play the game properly.

Only because they outsource everything these days.

You are arrogant and ignorant! Do you believe a new player does not know that he is new to the game? Do you believe they need you to point this out to them? To be patronized by some wannabe leader??

Anyone who would take up on your judgement is doomed to be lead by a fool. This I doubt is not what the OP had in mind, but, hey, lead away! The more, the merrier.

In reference to the above:

Yeah, I took a couple of weeks break after beta, but once in I formed my corp ASAP with people I knew from Beta. That being said, it was a much simpler time in many ways.

As an interesting aside, the university where I work just recently completed a mandatory training session called "Shots Fired". As it turns out many organizations are finally realizing that while yes there is a time to just keep your head down and wait for help, you also need to be prepared to fight back if the situation evolves to the point where not doing so will end up in your being slaughered like sheep. The trick is in knowing when that time comes, and how to not come across as the assailant if law enforcement is also in the building at the time.

So isn't that what mercs and war alliances are for?